What I love is how we can all say that something's "minimalist" and it's cool, but if we say "well maybe the person who wrote it's not very talented," we're just flat out wrong.

Oh well.

[quote="Marekenshin"]What I love is how we can all say that something's "minimalist" and it's cool, but if we say "well maybe the person who wrote it's not very talented," we're just flat out wrong.

Oh well.[/quote]

Well, it's the same thing in music. Some people can compose song with so difficult shreds that no-one can play them live. Others can do relatively simple songs that ends up being catchy. Just like Sawao.

You could also (more accurately) argue that your friends have certain standards, since their benchmark was the premier movie capital of the world (i.e. "Hollywood"), which therefore represents the highest standards in movie production.

Preferences don't develop because of how often one is exposed to something. No matter how many times you are offered strawberries, you're not going to like them if you don't like them. However, it does make sense to not like mutton once you've had filet mignon (even if you liked mutton before).

Sheer wins again.

You two are meant for each other.

And you're bullshitting me if you believe that people raised on a certain type of movies aren't going to like that certain type of movies and perhaps not be very open to something different.

Wow.

Somebody must really think this movie is a masterpiece of artistic achievement.

I myself haven't even seen it, I was just discussing the way people judge movies in general.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Wow.

Somebody must really think this movie is a masterpiece of artistic achievement.

I myself haven't even seen it, I was just discussing the way people judge movies in general.[/quote]

And I was simply making an observation on why I believed people might not like it, which was obviously a mistake.

Show me one piece of my statements where I say "people who don't like this movie are morons" or something similar.

[quote="Marekenshin"]What I love is how we can all say that something's "minimalist" and it's cool, but if we say "well maybe the person who wrote it's not very talented," we're just flat out wrong.

Oh well.[/quote]

I don't think I said anything anything like that. If you said Sofia Coppola isn't very talented I might argue that LiT is good but I'd probably agree as a whole, I hate everything else she's written.

I guess it's a pet peeve of mine when people act like I'm being an elitist prick when it comes to movies. That tends to set me off, since being a film student who has often-not-popular opinions I deal with it all the freaking time, yet when I talk about how much fun I have with shit movies like Fantastic Four people seem to ignore it. Even just mentioning I'm a film student often gets people assuming I look down on people or something. I don't mean to be standoffish or Usual Internet Fight Assholeish.

I'm not trying to act like you're being an elitist prick, I'm having an interesting conversation on differing views about what makes a movie good, how people come to like certain kind of movies, and so on.

I'm sorry if I come off a little harsh at times, but that's really not my intention.

I find it interesting that you think that other countries somehow have a better mainstream in music and entertainment than we do. Now, I don't know what's popular television in France or whatever, but I do know that Japan has just as much crap for mainstream media as we do.

[quote="Marekenshin"] Now, I don't know what's popular television in France or whatever[/quote]

I haven't seen many French movies myself, but judging from what I have seen it seems that all those oh-so-artsy French movies contains some soft-softcore pornography and idiotic and obvious philosophy.

But then again, I have seen about four this kind of movie from TV. They always tend to get four stars from the critics though...

How about this: Mainstream films blow. Indie films blow. Foreign films blow. Films blow. Only good films don't blow.


Point: There are movies from every genre that are complete shit. The genre of a good movie is pretty much irrelevant if it really is a good movie because most people should end up enjoying it.

I, however, tend to end up liking independent films more often because they usually don't deal with the bullshit of Hollywood.

[quote="Marekenshin"]I find it interesting that you think that other countries somehow have a better mainstream in music and entertainment than we do. Now, I don't know what's popular television in France or whatever, but I do know that Japan has just as much crap for mainstream media as we do.[/quote]

I don't necessarily think other countries have less crap, it's more that I think in the US we have the [i]worst [/i]crap, and the other countries just suck a little bit less with the mainstream popular stuff.

For me I think it's that in the US a great percentage of things are made by a comitte purely for profit, where counties not automatically enveloped in the Hollywood way of things off the bat may have a better shot at making something with actual artistic merit.

This is what I [i]assume[/i], though, and I realize it's only an assumption, and I'm only really knowledgeable about the way things are made here, but my assumptions are going on what I've heard from people who come from other film markets.

[quote="Blank"]How about this: Mainstream films blow. Indie films blow. Foreign films blow. Films blow. Only good films don't blow.

Point: There are movies from every genre that are complete shit. The genre of a good movie is pretty much irrelevant if it really is a good movie because most people should end up enjoying it.

I, however, tend to end up liking independent films more often because they usually don't deal with the bullshit of Hollywood.[/quote]

I wouldn't call indie/mainstream "genres" (I actually hate the term genre in general, especially non-genres like "sci-fi" and "western"), but yeah, the only thing that matters is whether or not it's good.

[quote="sonic3305"]
I don't necessarily think other countries have less crap, it's more that I think in the US we have the [i]worst [/i]crap, and the other countries just suck a little bit less with the mainstream popular stuff.

This is what I [i]assume[/i], though, and I realize it's only an assumption, and I'm only really knowledgeable about the way things are made here, but my assumptions are going on what I've heard from people who come from other film markets.


I wouldn't call indie/mainstream "genres" (I actually hate the term genre in general, especially non-genres like "sci-fi" and "western"), but yeah, the only thing that matters is whether or not it's good.[/quote]

I take it you've never seen some of the more ridiculous Indian musicals.

Fine, they're not genres. They're categories.

What is this, the thesaurus club?

Anyway, if "sci-fi" and "western" aren't genres, then I don't know what is. If anything isn't a genre, it's "mainstream" or "indie," terms which hold no relevance whatsoever to anything.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]What is this, the thesaurus club?

Anyway, if "sci-fi" and "western" aren't genres, then I don't know what is. If anything isn't a genre, it's "mainstream" or "indie," terms which hold no relevance whatsoever to anything.[/quote]

Mainstream = Movies produced by the big studios.
Independent = Movies produced by independent filmakers, generally without the aid of the studios.

[quote="Blank"][quote="sheerheartattack"]What is this, the thesaurus club?

Anyway, if "sci-fi" and "western" aren't genres, then I don't know what is. If anything isn't a genre, it's "mainstream" or "indie," terms which hold no relevance whatsoever to anything.[/quote]

Mainstream = Movies produced by the big studios.
Independent = Movies produced by independent filmakers, generally without the aid of the studios.[/quote]

(i.e. completely irrelevant factors as to [i]anything whatsoever[/i], since any true differentiation would already be explained by a difference in [i]substantive[/i] genre designations)

Here is a simple explanation of Indie films: Basically, technology has evolved, and therefore, good shit is cheaper, so you don't need the most expensive equipment to do the same job. Also, you can't hire people that anyone else would recognize, as to skimp on cast salaries - although this isn't even necessarily an issue if you have the right connections. Finally, you have to use shitty music, because it costs money to use good music. The whole concept is essentially a process of cost-minimization.

Unless it's really [i]that[/i] important to differentiate between a "mainstream" movie and a "bargain" movie, they are not "genres." The only difference is that you can really make a killing (financially) with an indie flick, since you minimize costs and essentially turn out a product of comparable quality (also, see [url=http://www.hyundaiusa.com/][i]Hyundai[/i][/url]).