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clouds
Dances with Wolves
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:44 pm Posts: 3451
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sheerheartattack
terra's homie
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:23 am Posts: 5702 Location: New Jersey
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So basically, what clouds was trying to say, in English:
The emotion of a song may be gleaned through the music itself, rather than through a comprehension of the lyrics.
Now, for my personal opinion:
A "song" is comprised of two aspects. A musical aspect, and a literary aspect. Each bears its own emotional expression. Many times they will reflect the same thing, but often they will contrast. It is the combination of the two that makes a "song" unique from both a "score" and "piece of poetry." The interplay between the two expressions, whether they be the same or different, in turn creates a unique composite expression.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that neither the music or the lyrics are solely responsible for what makes a "song," and one is not more important than the other. Many musicians will be led to believe that the music is what's important, and the average person with no musical training will tend to focus on the lyrics. But [b]to truly understand a song, you must have both.[/b]
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:57 pm |
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Marekenshin
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Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:28 pm Posts: 12301 Location: Lost Angels
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Totally agreed there. Most people here always exclaim how their love for a song only increases when they get the translation and understand what it is Sawao is singing about.
I wish this interview was translated a bit better, or that we could look at the original Japanese, because the phrasing is pretty bad, and the guy translated Sawao to talk in way that's far from his character. Oh well, still really awesome stuff.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:45 pm |
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_KeitarO_
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Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:14 pm Posts: 719 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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thanks very much, omnistry!
i'm really more interested on the album now that i read the interview. and i loved the fact that a month ago i put my sister, who is 4 years old, to listen to Youngster. she liked and danced the song. i sometimes fill her head with J music, lol.
"[i]...YOUNGSTER, which was meant for cheering young people up...[/i]
i was amazed, cause that's exactly what happened to her.
i also have a 2 secs part of video where she does a totally stylistic dance listening to Runners High intro.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:34 pm |
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Camio
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Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:55 pm Posts: 789 Location: The one way train out of the universe.
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good stuff
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:54 pm |
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BlazingSage
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Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:40 pm Posts: 935 Location: Massachusetts
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MY personal opinion (without sounding like a douche):
Lyrics are just a vessel for vocals to have melody in a song. It goes without saying that you need to have words to sing, rather that just making noise, which is what makes vocal work so intricate in a song. I don't look to a song to necessarily be poetic to be enjoyable, and I don't think a lot of people do. Case and point (possible a bad choice), but look at rap. Most of the time rappers are yelling out phrases that you won't even understand, but to rap fans, it sounds good. I really didn't care what Strange Chameleon was about because I liked it and I guess it's great that some of you liked it better after understanding the lyrics. I'm just saying lyrics do not have to be a big part of what makes a good song.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:55 pm |
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ThinlineTele
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Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:44 am Posts: 1925 Location: Atlanta
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I pretty much agree with BlazingSage. With hip-hop the emphasis is on rhythm more than melody, so the vocals serve a rhythmic purpose more than melodic. Of course, I find plenty of rock bands like Don Cabellero much more rhythmically interesting, so I don't totally get the whole rap thing.
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Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:03 pm Posts: 5560 Location: Nowhere
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[quote="Thinliine"]I pretty much agree with BlazingSage. With hip-hop the emphasis is on rhythm more than melody, so the vocals serve a rhythmic purpose more than melodic. Of course, I find plenty of rock bands like Don Cabellero much more rhythmically interesting, so [b]I don't totally get the whole rap thing.[/b][/quote]
Hint: With most generic rap, play six notes, hit a cymbol or whatever. Rinse. Repeat. Repeat. And re-fucking-peat.
There are more in-depth rappers who actually tell stories ala "he doesn't rap. he tells."  And I find them to be more respectable, but half of the crap that goes out is dumb "gangsta" rap, which is pretty much worthless, imo.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:08 pm |
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sheerheartattack
terra's homie
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:23 am Posts: 5702 Location: New Jersey
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I don't get rap because it sucks.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:42 pm |
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Marekenshin
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Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:28 pm Posts: 12301 Location: Lost Angels
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[quote="sheerheartattack"]I don't get rap because it sucks.[/quote]
More of this.
Seriously, I don't really consider rap worthy of being called music. It lacks any amount of intricacy, good melody/harmony, and all the other things that make good music.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:49 pm |
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clouds
Dances with Wolves
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:44 pm Posts: 3451
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When I step up in the place
ay yo I step correct
Woo-Hah
got you all in check
I got that head nod shit
make you break your neck
Woo-Hah
I got you all in check
And you know we come through
to wreck the disco tech
Woo-Hah
I got you all in check
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:49 am |
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kininku buster
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Joined: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:33 pm Posts: 222
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I also learned to enjoy the pillows songs when I understood the lyrics as well. It adds a new demension to the songs that I thought wasn't possible. I even began to like songs that I had previously hadn't like before when I learned what the lyrics meant. 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:50 am |
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supertrampolineschoolkid
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Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:03 pm Posts: 913 Location: Orbitting Neptune
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[quote="kininku buster"]I even began to like songs that I had previously hadn't like before when I learned what the lyrics meant.  [/quote]
Second'd.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:39 am |
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lmd2131
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Joined: Mon May 16, 2005 9:57 am Posts: 732 Location: Hockessin, Delaware
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Thanks for this find, Omnistry!
also, i think JaME = Jamie...but a weird internet way of spelling it.
Anyway, a lot of current rap sucks, but there is some I like
and even mare can agree with me that YKZ is good...and not just because its japanese.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:09 am |
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Jomei
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Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:52 pm Posts: 6497
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This thread is not about rap. Keep off-topic discussions in the pillows section to a minimum.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:29 pm |
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