I liked the unique sound that this song had, but I was a bit disappointed. The song had potential, especially in the verse and prechorus. The main thing I didnt like was the chorus, which seemed a bit out of place. The prechorus makes you expect a strong chorus, but then you get a really mellow sound.

[quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"][quote="Kaze no Mirai"]Whats so bad about bringing back all their characters for one PV?

Can youprove without a shadow of the doubt that Sawao said: "oh shit! im out of ideas! lets use the 916 clips"[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just wondering why all of the sudden they decided to use a concept that was made for something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a time they've ever done that before.

And no I can't prove that, but I can give an idea on what might have occured in his head at the time, and it would have gone something like this:

A new video... for a song called Wake up! Dodo... So we'll have a Dodo... and maybe buster... (insert Sawao's version of Jimmy Neutrons brain blast sequence).. SHIT! WE CAN USE THE LITTLE DUDES FROM 916. There, problem solved with minimal work on my part. Now I can go back to looking at porn.


...or something like that.[/quote]

Now you're wondering and making suggestions at what [i]might have possibly[/i] been. Before you were making direct assumptions, with "proof" you somehow implied to be absolute. I think that is where the problem was.

"I wonder why they are using old characters they created for something else in this video. It's possible they have run out of ideas, but that is merely a suggestion, and I could be wrong," would be a more accurate representation of the confidence a reasonable person would express at your conclusion.

So yeah. the pillows have done this concept. a busterkun is sent out to wake up a dodo bird, yeah its been to death. and sawao or the band couldnt possibly have wanted to bring out the characters in a new label for their cameo on a PV, they only did it because they were out of ideas.

[quote="sheerheartattack"][quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"][quote="Kaze no Mirai"]Whats so bad about bringing back all their characters for one PV?

Can youprove without a shadow of the doubt that Sawao said: "oh shit! im out of ideas! lets use the 916 clips"[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just wondering why all of the sudden they decided to use a concept that was made for something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a time they've ever done that before.

And no I can't prove that, but I can give an idea on what might have occured in his head at the time, and it would have gone something like this:

A new video... for a song called Wake up! Dodo... So we'll have a Dodo... and maybe buster... (insert Sawao's version of Jimmy Neutrons brain blast sequence).. SHIT! WE CAN USE THE LITTLE DUDES FROM 916. There, problem solved with minimal work on my part. Now I can go back to looking at porn.


...or something like that.[/quote]

Now you're wondering and making suggestions at what [i]might have possibly[/i] been. Before you were making direct assumptions, with "proof" you somehow implied to be absolute. I think that is where the problem was.

"I wonder why they are using old characters they created for something else in this video. It's possible they have run out of ideas, but that is merely a suggestion, and I could be wrong," would be a more accurate representation of the confidence a reasonable person would express at your conclusion.[/quote]


Wording is everything isn't it?

But I'm not suggesting, I am "directly assuming with proof" that this video aside from the dodo and the extra story line is a rip off of their previous work, which to my knowledge they have never done before. I don't see anything wrong with it, but I do wonder why they did it, and the possibility that they are running out of ideas, or they just don't give a shit anymore.

IT's not just the characters, which for whever reason you guys seem to be basing your argument against mine) they used the entire sequnce/plot/whatever.

You can call me stupid, and make fun of me and pick at this all you fucking want to, but I do have a point.

[quote="Kaze no Mirai"]So yeah. the pillows have done this concept. a busterkun is sent out to wake up a dodo bird, yeah its been to death. and sawao or the band couldnt possibly have wanted to bring out the characters in a new label for their cameo on a PV, they only did it because they were out of ideas.[/quote]

Are you so narrow minded that this idea couldn't possibly be true? And again with buster. IT'S NOT BUSTER. THE ENTIRE FIRST HALF OF THE VIDEO IS THE SEQUENCE FROM 916. FRAME BY FRAME. NOT JUST BUSTER OR THE GANSTER CHARACTERS. [i][b]THE ENTIRE SEQUENCE.[/b][/i]

I thought the chorus wasn't really that weak. :/ I liked that the prechorus and chorus both a lot. The lead work in the chorus was nice, though simple, and the song again had some nice little moments in the bass. Is it just me, or are the drums on these recent songs more driving than the GD/MF stuff?

I like the song a lot, and the lyrics are really cool. I can't make out all of them, but there are some really cool parts.

You contradic yourself a few times. For one, you say that the plot is the same. Then you say that waking up the dodo is different, which is the MAIN point of the plot. so because a dog comeso uot in a motorcycle its a rip off. because the guys are chasing the buster its a rip off?
why where they chasing the buster in the 916? do you know? in the pv it has something to do with the dodo. just because they use them it doesnt mean its a rip off. how can they rip off their own characters that appear for the first time on PV? seriously, at least the one life/scarecrow argument made some sense.

maybe they are just giving a little more popularity to their "minor" mascots. that way when Sawao designs a Wake up! Dodo shirt, he can put them on it.

i liked the song and the pv. i, like others, was expecting a chorus a little more powerful (like louder). but this newer style i like. the song is growing on me more and more everytime i listen to it.

[quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"][quote="Kaze no Mirai"]So yeah. the pillows have done this concept. a busterkun is sent out to wake up a dodo bird, yeah its been to death. and sawao or the band couldnt possibly have wanted to bring out the characters in a new label for their cameo on a PV, they only did it because they were out of ideas.[/quote]

Are you so narrow minded that this idea couldn't possibly be true? And again with buster. IT'S NOT BUSTER. THE ENTIRE FIRST HALF OF THE VIDEO IS THE SEQUENCE FROM 916. FRAME BY FRAME. NOT JUST BUSTER OR THE GANSTER CHARACTERS. [i][b]THE ENTIRE SEQUENCE.[/b][/i][/quote]

great, now you start with the name calling. and i never said that it couldnt be true, so stop calling everyone narrow minded, why dont YOU accept the fact that YOU can be wrong? so its arip off because its the ssame frame by frame? im pretty sure its not, but the sequnces are pretty damn similar. how is that running out of ideas?

[quote="Kaze no Mirai"]You contradic yourself a few times. For one, you say that the plot is the same. Then you say that waking up the dodo is different, which is the MAIN point of the plot. so because a dog comeso uot in a motorcycle its a rip off. because the guys are chasing the buster its a rip off?
why where they chasing the buster in the 916? do you know? in the pv it has something to do with the dodo. just because they use them it doesnt mean its a rip off. how can they rip off their own characters that appear for the first time on PV? seriously, at least the one life/scarecrow argument made some sense.[/quote]

This didn't start out as an argument. You guys made it into an argument. I was just pointing out that they used the same plot/sequence/whatever, and you guys were all "BUSTERKUN BLAH BLAH I'M STUPID". Instead of giving actual thought to the idea that the band is slipping.

And any rate whatever, discussion over.

Sawao can no longer utter a word or hum a tune without the pillows' American fanbase predicting his band's demise.

Honestly, this video is a lot more original than, say, Kono yo no Hate Made. I'd argue that a video primarily featuring shots of the band playing shows lack of creativity more than use of a mascot.

[quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"][quote="Kaze no Mirai"]You contradic yourself a few times. For one, you say that the plot is the same. Then you say that waking up the dodo is different, which is the MAIN point of the plot. so because a dog comeso uot in a motorcycle its a rip off. because the guys are chasing the buster its a rip off?
why where they chasing the buster in the 916? do you know? in the pv it has something to do with the dodo. just because they use them it doesnt mean its a rip off. how can they rip off their own characters that appear for the first time on PV? seriously, at least the one life/scarecrow argument made some sense.[/quote]

This didn't start out as an argument. You guys made it into an argument. I was just pointing out that they used the same plot/sequence/whatever, and you guys were all "BUSTERKUN BLAH BLAH I'M STUPID". Instead of giving actual thought to the idea that the band is slipping.

And any rate whatever, discussion over.[/quote]

Saying stupid things is the equivalent of "starting an argument." You made a valid point, but then attributed it to the band slipping. That is called "stupid logic." Otherwise known as "not logic." Whenever using such logic, expect an argument.

[quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"][quote="Kaze no Mirai"]You contradic yourself a few times. For one, you say that the plot is the same. Then you say that waking up the dodo is different, which is the MAIN point of the plot. so because a dog comeso uot in a motorcycle its a rip off. because the guys are chasing the buster its a rip off?
why where they chasing the buster in the 916? do you know? in the pv it has something to do with the dodo. just because they use them it doesnt mean its a rip off. how can they rip off their own characters that appear for the first time on PV? seriously, at least the one life/scarecrow argument made some sense.[/quote]

This didn't start out as an argument. You guys made it into an argument. I was just pointing out that they used the same plot/sequence/whatever, and you guys were all "BUSTERKUN BLAH BLAH I'M STUPID". Instead of giving actual thought to the idea that the band is slipping.

And any rate whatever, discussion over.[/quote]

01. Plot the same? No.
02. Sequence the same? Yes.
03. No one had called you stupid.
04. A lot of people have said that the band is slipping
05. How does using similar sequences show that the band is slipping? I can understand a bit when they say that they think its slipping because of the music (in their opinion) isnt as great as it was, when they give explanations.
05. I have no problem with people's opinion, but the whole rip off/band is slipping because same animation/sequence thing is absurd.

its not the same. it uses the same characters but its not the same animated sequence as the 916 dvd. the three guys chasing the buster-kun and the Penalty life dog saving his ass is a running theme similar to the 916 animations but its in no way a rip off.

Just because they like using their trademark characters in videos doesn't mean they're running out of ideas. If you want to make an opinion like that schoolkid don't go making it on this video because damn it, that was just, not right.

[quote="Atomsk Iscariot"][quote="Thinliine"]I thought it was alright. It does have an entertaining video, at least. Of course, now on the Keikaku forums, everyone's fussing about how it's the most horrible song of all time, undoubtedly stirred up by Culen and catfish. What a shock![/quote]
I enjoy the fact that Culen's criticizing you for length when just a page earlier he's writing fucking essays about Sawao being influenced by brit-pop.[/quote]

Exactly. I pointed that out, but he just ignored it. Typical Culenism. The entire forum reeks of elitism, and I wouldn't bother with Keikaku at all, except that it's the best way to keep up with band news and such.