Suspecting no dvd release or anything is legit the worst/saddest news of my year ;_;

[quote="Son Goshin"][quote="dimsim3478"][quote="Son Goshin"]Did he do the newer live/Rock Stock outro with his "YEAHS"? I always disliked how he did that, so I hope he just let the song play out like how it originally went.[/quote]
No way! The "yeahs" are sweeeeeet[/quote]

Ugh. Sad to hear he did the "YEAHS". I just listened to it again on the Rock Stock album. Now I remember why I never revisit those tracks outside of Sullivan. I seriously think that new outro is atrocious. The way the song closes out in that last minute or so is beautiful; there's a lot going on there. With Sawao just wailing over the top of it, it really obscures the impact. I remember listening to the Budokan live and thinking to myself "SHUT UP Sawao!" [/quote]

Fortunately, both versions exist, so you can safely disregard the ones you dislike and not work yourself up over it.

Well, it's not that I'm worked up about it, but if I can't express my disdain for it here, then where else can I?

Rest assured, I've only listened to the Rock Stock version in its entirety once.

tbh i think the "yeah" outro is just the same as the original but with some "yeahs" over the top, and because i looooove whenever sawao goes nuts with his vocals, i think its an improvement for [i]live performances of the song only[/i]; a little something extra in the live show that differs from the studio version and gives a bit of extra lift to the song. that doesn't, however, mean that i prefer the Rock Stock studio recording over the PML studio recording; I'm not crazy.

[quote="Crescent"]Suspecting no dvd release or anything is legit the worst/saddest news of my year ;_;[/quote]
perhaps a DVD might happen once all the 3rd Movement shows are done (although we dont know how many 3rd Movement albums they're going to cover). i have a feeling that they wont do a DVD cuz that'd be like waaaaaay too many Pillows DVDs (and they probably need to save the funds for the next album tour DVD), but i mean, they put out DVDs for every other special live event (Blue Poppies, Budokan, Don't Forget Today), so i hardly think it's impossible for a 3rd Movement tour box set or something. [b]edit:[/b] oh wait now cameras nvm

a live album could be good, though, especially cuz the band hasnt freakin done one yet!

[quote="Son Goshin"]Rest assured, I've only listened to the Rock Stock version in its entirety once.[/quote]

Lol someday I hope you can grow enough to not feel a need to whine over trivial things related to taste and self-inflicted disappointment, but you're free to be immature enough to both feel and express disdain towards things which give others some measure of positive gain in their lives.

It's nothing new, but the "cool guy hater" attitude we all take towards things is nothing but jerky immaturity.

Let me explain via a parable: two different people go to two different parties on the weekend and talk on Monday about their experiences. One says "man, that party sucked; everyone was sitting around chatting all night instead of dancing!" The other says "what? That sounds great; MY party sucked! The music was so loud and it was so crowded that you could ONLY dance."

Who's wrong here, and if neither is wrong, does explaining further in judgmental tones beyond recognizing a difference in tastes add anything good to anyone's life, or is it just immature bonding over hating? Why do we have to say "No, I REALLY think your preferred party sucks and is absolute shit" instead of "oh lol we should have traded parties?"

Carry on, children.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Why do we have to say "No, I REALLY think your preferred party sucks and is absolute shit" instead of "oh lol we should have traded parties?"[/quote]

Because this is a forum. A forum [url=https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/forum]is defined[/url] as "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

This is a forum for the pillows, where I can discuss things with others regarding the pillows, and exchange viewpoints. I wanted to present my view on an issue (whether or not the Rock Stock version of Strange Chameleon is good or bad) and I also wanted to see if others felt the same or not. Dimsim didn't feel the same. I didn't explain why I disliked the new outro in my first post, so I replied back to Dimsim with a well reasoned response as to why I don't like the new outro. If you want to call that whining, you apparently have a broad understanding of what "whining" is. Is it trivial? Of course it is. But again, I'm on a forum for the pillows... discussing the pillows, my favorite band. Of course I'm going to discuss trivial things about the band and their music here. That's what this forum is for. Sorry if my poor attempt at a joke makes me have a "cool guy hater" attitude. I honestly don't know what was judgmental about it or anything else I said. Trust me, I'm not a "hater" and I'm definitely [b]not[/b] cool.

But what sucks is that this forum is basically a graveyard compared to other band forums I frequent. I miss how active it was 10-12 years ago. But frankly, your patronizing attitude isn't appreciated and it leads me to not even want to post what little I even do here anymore. I, like most of us here, am a grown man who doesn't need to be lectured with a "parable" to grow up. The condescending attitude isn't necessary, nor is it mature.

But I've wasted enough time on this. This is the last I'm saying on the subject.

[quote="dimsim3478"]tbh i think the "yeah" outro is just the same as the original but with some "yeahs" over the top, and because i looooove whenever sawao goes nuts with his vocals, i think its an improvement for live performances of the song only; a little something extra in the live show that differs from the studio version and gives a bit of extra lift to the song. that doesn't, however, mean that i prefer the Rock Stock studio recording over the PML studio recording; I'm not crazy. [/quote]

LOL, I never accused you of that. But I see where you're coming from and get what you mean about Sawao going crazy with the vocals. Sometimes it works, but not with Strange Chameleon. I really do like it when they spice things up on the live versions, kinda like with what Mafu described for this latest version of Cherry, or what they've been doing with Another Morning the past couple years. But when I listen to Strange Chameleon, I really dig that outro and love listening to all the different elements. It's perfect. That Busters on the Planet version is friggin amazing. The way I see it, the addition of Sawao's "YEAHS" kinda detract from that perfection.

Lmao not wanting to post because people say you can express opinions without whining or talking trash towards something others enjoy.

It will always boggle my mind how appealing to "not being pretentious" is somehow offensive to people. Arguing a bunch and driving off those who enjoy things is not a "lively discussion," it's a "shitshow." Again, carry on. Take note of your irrational level of upset over someone pointing out how your approach adds nothing constructive, perhaps, if you feel so inclined; just as trying to explain "no, but I REALLY think it's garbage, you don't get it" in response to someone simply saying "eh, I like it" is not as constructive as maybe sticking to describing what you dislike.

I've never told anyone to not express their thoughts, beyond suggestions about how to express in a more considerate way. But some of you can't seem to see how the WAY we express ourselves makes a difference, so I will always comment on it just as you children will always be rude about the opinions of others. Don't be a hypocrite. If you can toss rude words about opinions, you can stand some mature critique about how lame that is (Edit: apparently irony is dead and people don't know tongue-in-cheek irony when they see it, joke is mature judgment leveled in disdainful/immature way - 2meta4someofyou).

I think you're BOTH pretty.

Also, last night on the radio the performance of Please Mr. Lostman from the live that I went to was broadcast. I recorded it. Check it out:
https://www.facebook.com/pillowsjp/vide ... 336988824/

[quote="dimsim3478"]a live album could be good, though, especially cuz the band hasnt freakin done one yet![/quote]
With all the live tracks released on the singles recently (I think we're up to 10 now), a live album might not be needed.

God... that sounds so amazing. I made a mistake not spending all my money to fly to Japan for that show. I really hope they release the full recording.

[quote="Son Goshin"]I dig that outro and love listening to all the different elements. It's perfect. That Busters on the Planet version is friggin amazing. The way I see it, the addition of Sawao's "YEAHS" kinda detract from that perfection.[/quote]
Totally getcha. Sawao definitely does overpower the other instruments where a nice instrumental section used to be, but personally i just [i]really[/i] like Sawao goin nuts. the new ending for "konoyo no hate made" kinda changed my life so im just always after any giant Sawao vocal moments like that.

[quote="Son Goshin"][quote="dimsim3478"]that doesn't, however, mean that i prefer the Rock Stock studio recording over the PML studio recording; I'm not crazy. [/quote]
LOL, I never accused you of that.[/quote]
haha, I know. just wanted to make clear that im all about the Rock Stock arrangements live, but the Rock Stock recordings themselves clearly arent on the same level as the originals. still, i certainly do enjoy the Rock Stock versions, in part for the occasional changeup they offer from constantly listening to originals. btw its possible that the band could have more re-recordings of old songs on the new FLCL soundtrack; new Another Morning with Sawao solo intro, maybe?

[quote="Mafu"]With all the live tracks released on the singles recently (I think we're up to 10 now), a live album might not be needed. [/quote]
dang, forgot about the singles because i dont own any of em yet. really hopin to get em soon, at which point i'll send Son Goshin some rips as i promised ages ago (if he hasnt gotten em already).

and perhaps a pillows album tour live album is completely unnecessary given the DVDs and single B-sides, but i think the 3rd Movement shows provide a perfect opportunity to put their first live CDs ever out. im talkin box set (they havent done one of those in a while) with each disc being the front to back live performance of Lostman, Busters, Runners, and Bivouac (and possibly more???). would be cool to be able to listen to an all new, super intense live version of each album from that era.

Even though it would be widely considered a crime against both music and humanity to NOT release live albums of this tour, it would be par for the course for the pillows to just quietly archive it away and never let us see more than the handful of tracks they pick for B-sides.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Even though it would be widely considered a crime against both music and humanity to NOT release live albums of this tour, it would be par for the course for the pillows to just quietly archive it away and never let us see more than the handful of tracks they pick for B-sides. [/quote]

^Exactly that.

But just to drive the pain home, any b-sides will be the more popular tracks that there are already several live versions from the last decade available via DVDs. ;_;

It seems odd that they weren't filming these shows in the first place; they've done a DVD for every recent tour, haven't they? And IIRC they haven't done many live B-sides before this recent streak. It might be a stretch but I'm hoping they're gearing up to do a proper live album.

[quote="rockman240"]It seems odd that they weren't filming these shows in the first place; they've done a DVD for every recent tour, haven't they? And IIRC they haven't done many live B-sides before this recent streak. It might be a stretch but I'm hoping they're gearing up to do a proper live album.[/quote]

Yeah, all of their recent tours got a DVD; 1st and 2nd Movement shows got one; even going back further, most of their significant/special shows got one... so my immediate assumption once 3rd Movement was announced was "This is fucking incredible.... Sucks that I probably won't be able to see it in person... Oh well, just gotta wait for the live DVD". Honestly all I need is the soundboard recording to be satisfied.