[quote="Mellie"]Kashima + No Self Control = amazing!

You guys give Kashima way too much credit when it comes to the actual songs The Pillows put out with him anyway. He never had any control over that. He was just a hired hand, all though a very talented one.

Incidentally, Runner's High is one of my favorites.[/quote]

I'd always imagined that he wrote the bass lines. Part of me thought that since he wasn't a real member of the band he wouldn't have been given this responsibility... but when I first began reading these boards, the immense praise of the guy (and the killer bass in those albums) made me think that he must have had something to do with it.

I would laugh really hard if Kashima had nothing to do with writing the bass parts.

I should clarify. I realize that he most likely came up with the bass lines, that's not what I mean. It seems that some people seem to think that the reason The Pillows changed musical direction is because Kashima left. What I meant was in that reguard people give him too much credit. Sawao wrote all the songs and I don't think weather he had Kashima, Suzuki or Gene Simmons in that band that the songs would have changed. In other words, they would have recorded the same songs they recorded weather Kashima left or not. The bass lines would definitly vary but the over all sound of the songs would have remained the same.

Sawao doesn't write everything, people. He obviously writes the majority of things, like chord progressions, lyrics, the basic parts of each instrument, and overall presence of the song, but I seriously doubt he writes every single thing you hear in the song. The pillows aren't his vehicle of emotion, they just have his direction. Think of a Hollywood director or writer. They have a large hand in the final product, but they can't produce what each individual actor brings to the movie.

And if you can't tell the difference in pillows music between the three bassists' eras, I seriously doubt you were listening very hard.

[quote="kelp"]Sawao doesn't write everything, people. He obviously writes the majority of things, like chord progressions, lyrics, the basic parts of each instrument, and overall presence of the song, but I seriously doubt he writes every single thing you hear in the song. The pillows aren't his vehicle of emotion, they just have his direction. Think of a Hollywood director or writer. They have a large hand in the final product, but they can't produce what each individual actor brings to the movie.

And if you can't tell the difference in pillows music between the three bassists' eras, I seriously doubt you were listening very hard.[/quote]

I never said they didn't change directions, what I said was I think they would have changed directions reguardless. When you are in a band and you have a princable song writer, you have to take cue from that person. You can express your own creativity to a point but not so much that one individual is going to cause the band to change directions entirely, UNLESS the princable song writer is replaced. It just doesn't work that way and yes I am speaking from experience.

Also a holywood director does just that, he directs. If he doesn't like an actors performance, he tells them to do it differnetly. That's his job.

My last post wasn't directed towards you specifically, but whatever.



Check White Incarnation. Lightish pop rock, but still with a rock core. What's Pillows? and the releases following had a distinctive Jazz/Rock fusion direction that coincidentally is one of Kashima's trademark styles. Fast forward a few years to Happy Bivouac. Ever since Tatsuya was thrown into the mix, pillows albums became slightly harder and heavier album by album. Happy Bivouac was a high point in the pillows' grunge history, and of course, Jun has a distinctive grungey punk feeling to his style. Did Suzuki make the pillows grungier alone? Of course not. But he did have a strong influence on the band's direction. Especially for a guest musician.

To sum up, a director obviously does give direction, but it's not always his direction.

what's what's pillows?

Fanclub mini-album.

what's on it?

anybody have the two songs?

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How long did it take you to figure this out?

Runner's High is my favorite Pillow's album right after Kool Spice.

[quote="bleuster"]Runner's High is my favorite Pillow's album right after Kool Spice.[/quote]
Banned.

I don't know how you can say that the grunge change was due to Jun. Didn't it kinda start with Please Mr. Lostman? I can certainly concede that the jazz fusion influence is from Tatsuya, but he also played on 3/4 of the the grunge-ish albums. His influence is there, albeit(lolo, cullin's word) less pronounced.

EDIT: My point is that I think the Pillows drifted the way of the grunge on their own, not because of a guest bassist. Jun was simply a better fit for what they had become by Runners High.

What the hell?

Did you even read my post? You just agreed completely with what I said.