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Mafu
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 Re: Song Relationships
Stuff like Ripcord and Don't look back in anger have been discussed before, so here are some they may have not. Some have subtle similarities while others are obvious. Some have been confirmed as the inspiration by Yamanaka himself. Sawao is very opened about his inspirations. None of these comparisons are meant to discredit him. If anything, these offer some insight to his song writing process.
The Stone Roses -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Y-uUiQz2w](Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister[/url] / Kanojo wa Kyou, -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfnZ7HYD_k]This is the one[/url] / Swanky Street -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRwR7avc5Oc]I am the resurrection[/url] / Suicide Diving
Oasis -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fLR3FRaFsQ]Some might say[/url] / TRIP DANCER -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfx9LXzxpw]Whatever[/url] / Scarecrow
Eels -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oeYkZZvLYE]Flyswatter[/url] / Foxes
Radiohead -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk]Creep[/url] / Hybrid Rainbow
The Breeders -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9hAS2uHG_I]No Aloha[/url] / Your Order
Frank Black -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdoVBVjee48]Sugar Daddy[/url] / Lightning Runaway
Built to Spill -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMtduR6XFM]Center of the Universe[/url] / Happy Bivouac
That Dog -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_YBPFGg-Q]Ms. Wrong[/url] / Hello welcome to bubbletown's happy zoo -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27eugtEi15E]She doesn't know how[/url] / Monster C.C. (Sawao has mentioned that the That Dog's album "Retreat from the sun" was an inspiration for the album RUNNERS HIGH, as well.)
Liz Phair -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCuvltezQsc]White Chocolate Space Egg[/url] / Bran-new Love Song -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zoDbF_Fd9Y]Whip-Smart[/url] / Funny Bunny
the Fratellis -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBaxde247Mw]Chelsea Dagger[/url] / Finger post of magic
The Kinks -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTsY-oz6Go]You Really Got Me[/url] / Skinny Blues
Beck -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u219yphosYE]Sexx Laws[/url] / Tokyo Bambi (the pillows even covered Sexx Laws during the Penalty Life tour. I wouldn't be surprised if Tokyo Bambi evolved from there.)
The Strokes -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIoyTuvqHAs]Reptilia[/url] / Third Eye
Makes for some interesting listening.
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Wed May 25, 2016 1:02 am |
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Son Goshin
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 Re: Song Relationships
Are all of these you listed confirmed by Sawao in various interviews? if not, which ones are confirmed by Sawao? It'd be really cool to know that Sawao was a Built to Spill fan. And it's really cool to know that he was into That Dog. I gotta give Sawao credit, he really got pretty deep into the 90's alternative rock scene. Not a lot of people talk about That Dog too much.
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Wed May 25, 2016 7:35 pm |
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rockman240
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I don't really see the Creep and Hybrid Rainbow connection. Is it kind of the basic "form"/skeleton of the chorus?
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUea0h4DZTs]Radiohead - Let Down[/url] Sawao Yamanaka - Birthday I'm pretty sure there's some inspiration there.
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Wed May 25, 2016 10:02 pm |
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MyFoot
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[quote="rockman240"]I don't really see the Creep and Hybrid Rainbow connection. Is it kind of the basic "form"/skeleton of the chorus?
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUea0h4DZTs]Radiohead - Let Down[/url] Sawao Yamanaka - Birthday I'm pretty sure there's some inspiration there.[/quote]
That's what I'm guessing, the arpeggiated "quiet" verse with the resounding "loud" distorted chorus is my guess at the connection, otherwise I'm kinda lost.
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Wed May 25, 2016 10:52 pm |
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yaro
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[quote="Mafu"]
Built to Spill -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMtduR6XFM]Center of the Universe[/url] / Happy Bivouac[/quote]
I remember playing Happy Bivouac some years ago in my mom's car once, and (her having listened Keep it Like a Secret numerous times) she immediately exclaimed, "It's like a Built to Spill ripoff!" --that was the first time that the similarity occurred to me.
I don't know how the band That Dog went under my radar all this time, but I feel they've got a sound I could get into. Thanks for sharing, Mafu!
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Thu May 26, 2016 12:52 am |
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Marekenshin
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A) This thread is now "sick" instead of just "cool."
B) That Dog really does sound great, going to check out some albums.
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Thu May 26, 2016 1:51 am |
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Mafu
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[quote="Son Goshin"]Are all of these you listed confirmed by Sawao in various interviews? if not, which ones are confirmed by Sawao? It'd be really cool to know that Sawao was a Built to Spill fan. And it's really cool to know that he was into That Dog. I gotta give Sawao credit, he really got pretty deep into the 90's alternative rock scene. Not a lot of people talk about That Dog too much.[/quote] The thing that sucks is that a lot of information isn't so well preserved. A lot of it comes from word of mouth by fans. For example, I attended Sawao's event in Shinjuku last month where he confirmed that Babylon tenshin no uta, Come on ghost, and Ladybird Girl are all inspired by Smash Mouth. Besides my post on the previous page of this thread, there is zero mention of that information elsewhere on the net.
Some of it is pretty safe to assume based on knowing that Sawao is a fan of the artists and the similarities between the songs. Also, the dates of release of a lot of these are within close range; a lot of the "inspirations" being released pretty shortly before the compared songs. Sawao is a fan of The Stone Roses, and based on how similar the songs sound, I would say that those are a pretty safe bet. Whatever/Scarecrow was confirmed during the single release. No Aloha and Sugar Daddy are very likely, since we know Sawao is a fan of The Pixies/Breeders. Also, Sugar Daddy comes off a Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute album. Sawao has mentioned being a fan of the film. During live performances of Skinny Blues, Sawao sings "you really got me" at the end. Not a big similarity compared to some others (besides that guitar riff), but likely a homage to The Kinks. Sawao is a confirmed fan of Liz Phair. Can't find much in the way of Sawao talking about Built to Spill, but he has played them on his radio show. Wish I had more information or interviews to cite. I'll continue to do some digging.
The Hybrid Rainbow/Creep association is one that I have seen come up several times. I have no real source to cite on that one, so I don't know if Sawao even said that he was inspired by it or not. I have seen Japanese fans post stuff like "Creep was the idea behind Hybrid Rainbow", but I really don't know how accurate that is. We do know that Sawao is a fan of Radiohead, and I guess Creep could have given him a generally idea. I mainly included that one in the list because I was interested to read what others thought about that comparison.
Also, Sawao has mentioned that British rock such as The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and The Cure were inspirations from the 1st movement through Lostman. As for the 2nd movement, according to a HMV interview, Sawao recommended these albums which he was introduced to during that time: Our favorite shop by Style Council, Jumpin Jive by Joe Jackson, First Kiss by Fairground Attraction, Söndag i sängen by Bo Kaspers Orkester. Little Busters continues to take it's inspiration from British rock (One Life/Oasis, for example), but around this time Sawao incorporates more US alternative and US indies influence (such as That Dog). RUNNERS HIGH and Happy Bivouac take most of their inspiration from US alternative and US indies (That Dog, Nirvana, The Pixies, Built to Spill, Liz Phair, etc).
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Thu May 26, 2016 3:00 am |
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Marekenshin
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 Re: Song Relationships
Been listening through That Dog's work, and it seems like he either consciously or unconsciously drew from a ton of their stuff. My bet is on purpose, he seems pretty open about taking musical ideas he likes for his own songs.
The intro bass hook, soft-loud dynamic, and that little insturmental pause at the end of each chorus in Curly Rudy are pretty obviouslt inspired by "He's Kissing Christian" on Totally Crushed Out.
"Old Timer" and some other songs on their self-titled have aspects that make me think of songs like Come Down, Advice, and Nightmare.
Edit: and I can see the connection with "Creep." More just the overal pacing and feel of the song with the gentle climbing arpeggios on lead and a fuzzy, emotional chorus. But they do both have vibrato octaves on the lead for the bridge/solo on top of that, haha.
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Thu May 26, 2016 4:58 pm |
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ShwahnStuff
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I used to think that Monster C.C. was musically and sort of thematically inspired by Simon and Garfunkel's "The Boxer", but after hearing That Dog's "Michael Jordan", I would say there's a strong element of that one in the music and structure as well.
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Fri May 27, 2016 4:33 am |
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Mafu
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Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:46 am Posts: 912 Location: Chiba
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Here's one that I forgot to include:
Grandaddy -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptPXxAds1Jc]A.M. 180[/url] / Thank you, my twilight
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Mon May 30, 2016 8:33 pm |
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rockman240
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I'm surprised this doesn't seem to have been mentioned: The Third Eye + One Headlight/Whatsername
I remember that Sawao mentioned something about going for a Green Day sound in an interview in 2007, so I'm betting he nicked the chord progression for The Third Eye from Whatsername rather than One Headlight (The Wallflowers). And Green Day no doubt took it from The Wallflowers to begin with.
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Tue May 31, 2016 7:53 pm |
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CARNVAL372
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If you guys look a page back, I posted A Johnny Thunders song being similar to "Spiky Goose".
Also Orange Juice is another band that remind of early pillows. Poor old soul [url]https://youtu.be/RmpNSpzx2wI[/url] seem to be the inspiration to both "stand up and go" and "blue march". Untitled Melody [url]https://youtu.be/-F-vzacK0kI[/url] Actually reminds me more of Sawao's " Birthday" but I'm pretty sure undoubtedly the style is something that the pillows would totally borrow.
More British examples:
Squeeze's In Quintessence [url]https://youtu.be/5fSIFHxR1Vw[/url] reminds me of both "kimi ga iru" and "Tokyo Bambi"
Primal Scream's "Gentle Tuesday" [url]https://youtu.be/sTsOOdi0F5g[/url] chorus reminds me of the chorus to "new year's eve".
American example: Cheap Trick's Surrender [url]https://youtu.be/1v_qm1okshk[/url] reminds me of "Xavier".
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:34 pm |
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sl4
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@Mafu: Wow, you've found a lot of connections. Impressive sleuthing and ear!
[quote="CARNVAL372"]If you guys look a page back, I posted A Johnny Thunders song being similar to "Spiky Goose".[/quote] That's a good catch, I can definitely hear the resemblance there!
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:04 pm |
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Mafu
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Primal Scream -[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZCZjhjguA]Rocks[/url] / I RIOT
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:16 pm |
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CARNVAL372
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I just came about this song from Madonna [url]https://youtu.be/GuJQSAiODqI[/url] In the fourth verse of the song, she name checks movie actors and movie actresses from the 1920s - 1950s, and she does it in a rap vocal style.
In Monochrome Lovers there's a rapping part in the middle of the song. However, Sawao name checks movie characters rather than movie actors but I still find interesting how the styles are similar to each other.
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