Oh yeah, what the hell is it with guys using their weight to steal my spot? Fuu

[quote="Marekenshin"]There was no moshing at the two Japan shows I went to. The crowd got into it, people jumped up and down, but nobody would have DREAMED of slamming each other around like a bunch of fuckheads. They were all their to enjoy the goddamn pillows together. Maybe someday when the pillows have enough fans of our type and less of these "ZOMG TEH FLCL BAND" fools, the American shows will be right.[/quote]

That's why i've always dreamed of seeing a show in Japan. In every single video, they're so calm for the most part, but they STILL get into it by singing along, fist pumping, a little dancing in place. Thing is, and I'm sure you know as well as I do, that's just how it is in Japan typically. Whenever I watch live vids of any band in Japan, be they home grown or from the US/UK, there's a great degree of respect there for their fellow concert goers and the band itself.

Even when shows get crazy, people have each other's backs. I saw Ellegarden at Kyoto Taisakusen a while back, and while the whole crowd was going nuts including a mad surge to the front and crowd surfing, anybody that started to fall was immediately pulled up by the people around them, because, once again, unlike these fucking poser douchekids who are just out to have something to do that night, they were all music fans there to enjoy a band they loved. God, but I hate American teenagers.

[quote="GoldenRhino"][quote="sheerheartattack"]I will bet good money that no one who has mentioned moshing really knows what that is.[/quote]

There's a difference between severe, violent slamming and shoving and "regular" slamming and shoving. The more tame version was at this pillows show, but it was moshing all the same, if we're working from Wikipedia's definition which says "Moshing is a dance in which participants push and/or slam into each other." There was a defined oval near the front in which people ran around, shoved, slammed, hurtled, and pushed aggressively.

Sorry if it seems like we're stealing your precious "REAL moshing is only for REAL hardcore punx like me who aim to break noses" baby. I'm not gonna get all uppity if people call Nickelback and the pillows both "rock music," despite their clear differences.[/quote]

If there existed a defined circle for the purpose of pushing or slamming, fine. But more often than not, there are people who will complain about simple physics. The FOS area is not for women or children (or what have you) - unless they don't mind being pushed around. This will happen, and it is the natural result of placing [i]x[/i] people in [i]y[/i] square feet of area at a rock concert. And the nearer one is to the stage, the greater the pressure from behind, obviously - just as water pressure is greater the deeper one dives. Elbows - well, that just happens, and is the natural result of different people of different heights, who want to raise their hands or what have you. So you may get pushed and compressed, especially at the front of the stage - you may even get lifted off your feet; you may get struck, inadvertently; you may get groped. If you don't like that, don't go to concerts.

But as reluctant as I am to believe that there were open spaces in the crowd at a pillows concert for people to mosh, if you said they were there, then we can assume they were there. I have been to several pillows shows, and never have I seen even one instance of moshing. However, my doubt was well-founded. Too often people will for whatever reason think, "Well, I waited five hours for a decent spot at the front of the stage - so everyone else should have just backed off! If you wanted a spot up front, you should have waited like I did!" However, words cannot express how ludicrous this attitude is. That is not how SRO venues work. If you want to enjoy the show unmolested, stay in the back. Get a table, or a seat, if they are available.

[quote="Marekenshin"]God, but I hate American teenagers.[/quote]
Even, though I fall under that category, I agree so much.

[quote="[Mr. Lostman]"][quote="Marekenshin"]God, but I hate American teenagers.[/quote]
Even, though I fall under that category, I agree so much.[/quote]
I hated 'em first.

But yeah, that's just one difference between the Japanese and American societies.

The differences in Japan aren't entirely society related, although that obviously plays a part.
You should also consider that the Japanese audience is at least 50% female, if not more (maybe 60%? IDK, a lot of girls like pillows)
Also, most of the venues they play in Japan are, at least on paper (not in reality), 20+. There aren't any high schoolers going to the venues. Since most people in Japan don't have driver's licenses, they ask for ID but most people show school ID. If you show a high school ID, you probably aren't getting in.
Also, the pillows in Japan bring their own security. The ROSS incident would never happen in Japan (aside from the cultural differences) because the guy would've been beat to shit by ojisan up there.

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Fuck that, I'm going to the Seattle show next time. All of my hate. Someone manage to get a recording of it?

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This is the damn Monokuro's bassist fault I swear. In LA about 20 some people were chanting for Swanky Street for about 30 seconds. Probably after that the pillows got the bassist to learn the song for the rest of the tour. I fell so cheated with this, I really wanted to hear Swanky Street!

Going over the show again in my head, I just realized that I hardly saw any of them except Sawao.

New York got Swanky Street.

Jealous :(((

It definitely seems like they decided to add it in every sense of the word. No NYC setlist yet, but Seattle got it as an extra song (they played 15 in LA and SF and added Swanky Street as a 16th song in Seattle without swapping anything out).

Looking forward to Swanky Street in Austin then... Unless they decide to not play it for some reason...

bullshit, yamanaka

Full set list?