No, you're both wrong. As sheer has said, if a band is managing to both rock the fuck out AND keep the quality of the musical performance high, they're doing a great job. Any time that the music is sacrificed for some stupid-ass stage antics, the band is overdoing it. GNB does it a lot, this Vines band seems to do it too. As much of a GNB fan as I am, I'm willing to admit that.

Since we seem to talk about other bands at least as much as the pillows most of the time, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that this is (effectively) a forum for discussing a lot more than the pillows. I don't post in the main section very much anymore, and I can't recall seeing Sheer post there a lot either in recent times, but alright.

The Vines would be more convincing if they were all getting into it, but just having one guy squawk and roll around while his bandmates act all nonchalant seems incredibly contrived. I don't really like "garage rock revival" to begin with, but this is not making it any better.

GNB all act like lunatics, on and off stage. Whether or not one likes their music, it's hard to think they're just faking it. There are tons of great GNB performances to make up for the sloppy, crazy ones - just watch Hikari or 僕たちは世界を変えることができない from the 戦争反対 tour (i think this used to be on Youtube?) It's pure emotion, not goofing around. And it goes without saying that many of GNB's fans admit that one of their strongest aspects is the ability to effectively combine punk lunacy with pop melody.

There are plenty of bands that act crazy and mean it, even though I don't like them. Like Nirvana.

[quote="ThinlineTele"]Since we seem to talk about other bands at least as much as the pillows most of the time, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that this is (effectively) a forum for discussing a lot more than the pillows. I don't post in the main section very much anymore, and I can't recall seeing Sheer post there a lot either in recent times, but alright.
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That's funny, I don't recall anybody insinuating that only the pillows were to be discussed on this forum. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time that it seems like Thinliine is responding to an imaginary post. He already gets much of his support of civil rights abuses from an imaginary man in the sky, so it's not very surprising.

[color=#BF00FF][size=200]INTERNET FORUMS 101 with SHEERHEARTATTACK[/size][/color]

The following is a brief tutorial on how internet forums work (for idiots). A forum will typically have a theme - perhaps a band whom its members favor. These members will populate the board, and will discuss the forum's theme, along with generally anything else that is worthy (or not worthy) of discussion. As this relates to IM, this forum's theme is "the pillows," not "obscure Japanese bands."

Therefore, an intelligent person might say, "This isn't a forum for obscure Japanese rock bands - just one obscure Japanese rock band, which happens to be one of my favorite bands. Maybe you took a wrong turn on Weeaboo Highway, but I'm right where I belong." That intelligent person is implying that inclusion on the board is restricted only to fans of a particular Japanese rock band, not fans of the greater category of "obscure Japanesebands."

However, a moron might say, "Sheer, since you almost always only give a toss about classic rock bands, why do you spend so much time posting on a forum for obscure Japanese ones?" This moron is misunderstanding both the criteria of membership (i.e. being a pillows fan), as well as the content that is valid on the forum (i.e. [i]anything[/i]).

I hope that clears up a few things up. And don't say, "Yeah, that you're an asshole." I already know. Moron.

Maybe by now Thinliine has learned not to contest anything I say (or, in this case, didn't say). I'm not saying the things I say shouldn't be contested, but that only intelligent people should engage in the practice. So Thinliine, please never address me again. I have tolerated it many times, but between your disregard to civil rights and this, you have now officially surpassed my threshold of ignorance. To put this into perspective, Metal still retains the right to address me.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, seriously, that was awesome, Sheer.

[quote="Camio"]imo GNB sounds more contrived than the vines since they sound like taking messy early garage hardcore punk and adding some obligatory [b]japanese poppiness[/b]. If it werent for their crazy stage presence they really wouldnt be anything special.[/quote]

1) Wow, so you're trying to marginalize the whole concept of "strong melody and harmony" now? That's just great. Would you consider The Beatles to be contrived due to their "obligatory English poppiness"?

2) I tilt my hat to Sheer for turning yet ANOTHER thread into a thread Thinline will never post in again

[i][size=85]Maybe if I ignore it, they'll forget about my ignorance.[/size][/i]

[quote="GoldenRhino"][quote="Camio"]imo GNB sounds more contrived than the vines since they sound like taking messy early garage hardcore punk and adding some obligatory [b]japanese poppiness[/b]. If it werent for their crazy stage presence they really wouldnt be anything special.[/quote]

1) Wow, so you're trying to marginalize the whole concept of "strong melody and harmony" now? That's just great. Would you consider The Beatles to be contrived due to their "obligatory English poppiness"?
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I'm saying their popiness is like other japanese bands, and alot of japanese pop/rock bands have a similar style of pop. If you listen to music from all over the world you'll notice that the american pop sound is different from the japanese pop sound. And I'm implying that since lots of japanese pop/rock bands have this commonality, it contributes to them sounding contrived like they were just following the flow.

as opposed to the vines uh... loud psychedelic garage grunge jams. Yeah japanese poppy punk sounds pretty contrived

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I don't really like "garage rock revival" to begin with,
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thats all I need to know. good day sir.

[quote="Camio"]And I'm implying that since lots of japanese pop/rock bands have this commonality, it contributes to them sounding contrived like they were just following the flow.

as opposed to the vines uh... loud psychedelic garage grunge jams. Yeah japanese poppy punk sounds pretty contrived[/quote]

Ohhh, so uniqueness guarantees quality! Right! So I could make a totally uncontrived Norse Rockabilly Electronic-fusion group, and it would automatically be awesome.

But if I decide to do regular old blues rock and roll, even though done really really well...it'll still suck because it's "contrived."

Yeah fuck that. Love em or hate em, there's nothing contrived about a band like Ging Nang Boyz. Oh, so they like to put some nice vocal lines in their songs? Catchy melodies too? And they can even throw in the occasional vocal harmony despite the madness?

If you want to call that contrived, go right ahead. I'll keep listening to them all the while you bullshit yourself.

And for the record, Good+Contrived >>> Bad+Unique.

ITT camio is a fucking retard, as usual, and make sweeping generalizations without any factual support.

How am I not surprised?

itt im stfu

[quote="GoldenRhino"]
Ohhh, so uniqueness guarantees quality! Right! So I could make a totally uncontrived Norse Rockabilly Electronic-fusion group, and it would automatically be awesome.

But if I decide to do regular old blues rock and roll, even though done really really well...it'll still suck because it's "contrived."

Yeah fuck that. Love em or hate em, there's nothing contrived about a band like Ging Nang Boyz. Oh, so they like to put some nice vocal lines in their songs? Catchy melodies too? And they can even throw in the occasional vocal harmony despite the madness?

If you want to call that contrived, go right ahead. I'll keep listening to them all the while you bullshit yourself.

And for the record, Good+Contrived >>> Bad+Unique.[/quote]

you're not even arguing with me. I'm not arguing over wether or not derivative of innovative music is better. which you seem to think I am.

I said GNB sounds contrived. I didnt critique the quality of their music. If you want my opinion on their music it's. "I'd go to a show gladly but I wont buy an album." they look fun and i would get into em live, but i would probably skip em if they came up on my ipod.

but honestly if you listen to the vines' studio stuff and say it's crappy music thats just unique for the sake of being unique, thats a pretty severe case of fundamentalism.

dont take your hipster hate out on my I hate that shit.

[quote="Marekenshin"]ITT camio is a fucking retard, as usual, and make sweeping generalizations without any factual support.

How am I not surprised?[/quote]

are you seriously saying that you can PROVE that Music A is BETTER than Music B? Because that's the core argument of this thread. I didnt think you were THAT stupid that you would think that you can prove an opinion. Where's your factual support?

Yes, I am a hipster hater.

[quote="Camio"][quote="Marekenshin"]ITT camio is a fucking retard, as usual, and make sweeping generalizations without any factual support.

How am I not surprised?[/quote]

are you seriously saying that you can PROVE that Music A is BETTER than Music B? Because that's the core argument of this thread. I didnt think you were THAT stupid that you would think that you can prove an opinion. Where's your factual support?[/quote]

Are you allowed to say that to a mod?[quote]

Someone missed the edit button.


Is a mod allowed to say that to a member?

Guess it goes both ways...