Me and Taffy could cover some of the songs on the list and make the album tracks.
It could be a group project over here, Mare could even come over sometime when he doesn't have work
and we could really get things running.

What are the tracks that are most likely going to be on the Cover album that HAVE tabs or are near completion?

Me and Taffy are doing Third Eye, and Swanky Street most likely, thats what we were thinking about covering.

I have some time off this week, maybe I could do vox/rhyzumu for swanky street? ;D

[quote="Brye916"]Me and Taffy could cover...
Me and Taffy are doing...
My name's brye and I control Taffy.[/quote]

Brye, why would you say something like that?! You don't control me!

Anyway , I'll let you guys know when [size=150]I'm[/size] free. I'm not so sure about ME personally doing a cover, let alone one with Brye, but if you want to record ANYTHING, make sure you have the drumbeat (midi) on a CD or Flash Drive, or else you'll be doing acoustic work.

To Brye: This may seem Hypocritical since I wanted to start a band, however, live is one thing (a really fun thing) and recording... well...

F.Y.I. I'm not going to listen to Swanky Street and learn the drums or even record them for that matter. You provide.

Recording is obviously nowhere near as fun as performing or even just practicing as a band.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Recording is obviously nowhere near as fun as performing or even just practicing as a band.[/quote]

The voice of reason.

[quote="itaffy13"]I own a copy of logic[/quote]

I was going to pirate Logic Studio, but everything altogether is 50+ GB. What the fuck is in that thing? Your only real option would be to dedicate an entire machine to it.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]everything altogether is 50+ GB. What the fuck is in that thing?[/quote]

Apple bundles the package with over 20000 apple loops, or in other words, liscense-free pre-recorded samples ranging from electric harmonica to the konga drums.

Simply put: useless.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Recording is obviously nowhere near as fun as performing or even just practicing as a band.[/quote]
Look, if you guys want to record, it's totally O.K. with me (that's why I offered) but I am personally not going to record my own cover with you guys. I'll probably end up doing it alone, since I work best alone.

*Subject Change*

Here's a few things I wanted you to know Mare (and sheer since you both kinda organized this thing):
[size=150]Problems:[/size]
[size=130]1. It'll never work "Over the Internet":[/size]
I keep seeing you refering to the internet as a resort, but my friend, that is too obsolete. First of all, you have music from a slew of different sources (different IMers) so there's a large probability that the music you all record won't sound good when put together. Secondly is the recording process. Do you really expect recordings produced by web-cam mics and cell phones to be at a high enough audio resolution for a track? We're talking 56kbps MAX on those things. Chances are the product will be a mushy white noise with too much room reverb because those mics usually don't isolate the sound, they take in a lot of air. The MINIMUM, and I mean MINIMUM (ask anyone) recording resolution for studios is 1411kbps (16bit x 44.1khz), and is later compressed down to your liking (128, 192, etc.) so as to preserve quality sound. I personally find that MY minimum resolution is twice that and is barely adequate for what I do. REAL PROFESSIONAL studios record at about 4 times that resolution, especially instrumental genres like rock and jazz.

[size=130]2. Most IM'ers (no offense) Don't know much about the Process:[/size]
I really, really don't mean to diss anyone at all here at IM, but recording songs [i]well[/i] takes a whole lot of practice, and even more patience. I've been recording for about 4 years now, and a lot of the stuff I make still suks (let me know if you want an example of my earlier work, but I warned you). Consider that you need someone who knows what kind of mic to use for vocals, what kind to use for guitar, where to place the mic, how to hook it up, what cables perform the best, etc. You make be shocked, but it took me about 8 hours (spread out of course) to complete Ano Hito Onaji Sora no Shita de! Not only was I playing both guitars, bass, vox, and drums, but I was also editing it (the hardest part of all). Expecting a group of people who love The Pillows to perform outstanding in a real show is not much to ask, but expecting everyone to produce desireable results in terms of recording is simply impossible without proper guidence (first of all) and equipment (lastly). DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO BUILD THE MOST BASIC BAREBONES STUDIO?!

[size=130]3. Forget the Tabs:[/size]
The final and hopefully most relieving item is that you guys don't need to finish all the tabs in order to make the thing work. AU CONTRAIR, it actually sounds more unique if you put your own twist on the cover. Take Syncronized Rockers for example! Each band did something a little different with the original Pillows's songs, AND THEY SOUNDED GREAT! If we were to make them the same, then what would be the point at all, am I right? I not only say this because of creativity or the lack thereof, but I say this because, TRUST ME, tabbing out any bass from the pre-[u]Please Mr. Lostman[/u] era is suicide. I spent 2 hours on both guitars and the drums, but I spent another 6 on the bass! Can you believe that? Kashima improvises like there's no tomorrow. So take my advice and be creative, not only will it be more fun, but it will make the songs unique and a lot more appreciated!

[size=150]Solution (# corresponds with above problem #):[/size]
[size=130]1. Ditch the Internet idea:[/size]
I own a studio, so you, Brye, and I could get started. As for the others, they should find the nearest IMer in their area who owns one and consider either a road trip or vacation over the winter break or next summer. I understand this is a huge delay, but 21st birthday is always better than the 20th and besides, these things take time. In this extra time, I could edit all the songs that are sent to me or prepare songs for recording for other IMers.

[size=130]2. Let's do this thing in the Studio [/size]
As I mentioned above, gathering in a studio will solve this problem since the owner of the studio has got to know something about recording.

[size=130]3. Keep the chord Prog. only:[/size]
From my experiences in music theory and recording aesthetics, the heart of the song lies in the chord prog. and vocals. So, instead of slaving away for hours over the exact solo or bassline, focus on identifying the chord tones. Then, the bassist could create a unique and intresting bassline, like most of the synchronized rockers did. And as for the lead guitarist, he/she could either write their own solo like I did for Ano Hito (didn't sound half bad if I do say so myself) or just play the solo from the song which shouldn't be too hard because solos are usually easy to hear compared to bass or drums. Speaking of drums, the drums will just come as they are. In other words, we'll do what sounds best for drums.

[size=130]Conclusion:[/size]
[i]Although I may have crushed any hopes or dreams you may have had, I'm here to tell you this is by no means impossible! [/i]
You just have to skin the cat differently. By trying my approach and considering a new perspective on this matter, you will not only create a project which is interesting and unique in itself, but you will also save yourself and others from wasting time on the impossible, yet to say mediocre. I've had a lot experience and criticism to the point where I almost gave up. GR in particular was bitter towards my earlier YouTube vids to the point where I just deleted (some of) them completely. I used to get comments like, "TAFFY SUKS COCK,""TUNE YOUR GUITAR YOU BASTARD," and my personal favorite, "MY EARS ARE BLEEDING!" That was the reason I disappeared from the face of this earth (YouTube, IM, Purevolume, etc.). It was because I was spending every second I had researching the best way to make music people could respect. It paid off: you saw the difference on my Ano Hito video and now my most common remark is, "YOU USED TO SUK, BUT NOW YOU ROCK."
In turn, don't take my advice for granted; I'm saving you a whole lot of trial and error. After all, without all your (indefinitely) criticism, I wouldn't be on iTunes or the "pillowscomment2" or even have a studio to begin with.

I get that Taffy, sorry about that. I thought since you posted something about you trying to help with the
cover album I automatically thought that you would be a part of it. Since you don't like recording so much, its
no big deal if you don't want to record. I just thought it would make this Cover album thing finish faster if we were
all together on it. If me, you and Mare got together, we'd finish 3 or 4 songs. Depending on how we work on them
and how we play them. Sure the drum midi will be the toughest part and I'm sure we could include your cover along with ours, it wouldn't be too extreme.
Call me up the next time your free this week. I can talk this over with you this Tuesday if you have time.
I wasn't trying to be a control freak or anything, I just assumed the wrong things. Sorry man.

Brye, my man, don't get me wrong! I'm not mad. I just hate what I do, that's all.

Let's turn that frown , [i]upside down[/i]

Edit: Read my essay... ahem... post that I just posted above. I would quote myself, but then again...
Anyway, it'll explain a lot of things

For sure!

I read your entry about what we should do and I 100% agree with you entirely.
We could finish this thing the right way by not hurrying on it and make it the best
cover album or rush this shit and make it terrible.

I believe we can give it to the pillows the next time they come to America. All we have to do
is tell Charm Face to ask the pillows to do another US tour and tell them that we have a surprise for them!
That could be more of an impact than if we were to give them a really bad job on their 20th you know?

Taffy do you have an AIM?? If you do you should IM me at "bryemoeelie"
So we can talk about this more

Disagree. Anyone with adequate recording capabilities can participate in an online collaboration. You prove that rule by your solo work - unless you play multiple instruments at the same time. Anyone with an interface, an SM57, and any recording software (even GarageBand or Audacity) can create near-studio-quality recordings. Yeah, it might not be as versatile as a studio, but it will sound as good as we need it to. All it comes down to is sending those raw audio files to each other and having someone edit it with a program like Logic Pro. Remember, most importantly, this is supposed to be a fun project - not a professional masterpiece. Of course, it can't be shit, but the above qualifications should be good enough for anyone.

I also disagree that providing tabs is unnecessary. You should only be adding your own twists to a song after you have familiarized yourself with the original. Then it can be your own choice to make a faithful recording, to completely diverge from the original, or to do anything in between. If a song is too difficult, we at least need the proper chords. It's complete bullshit when people cover a song who really have no idea what the original is all about musically. It just reeks laziness and poor quality.

You guys can do your thing, and submit them to the album, but that doesn't mean this project is unrealistic. People just need to man up the $200 for a mic and basic interface.

$100 microphone
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=270102

$70 interface
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=703606

Sheer, do you realize you pretty much agreed with everything i said?

The whole sm57 and basic interface is what I'm talking about when I refer to minimum! Even if people did have that, it would still be difficult to learn, understand, and refine the recording/software process. I never said we need Logic Pro! ALL of my songs to date have been on garageband, even ano hito!

And you agreed with me again when you said [quote="sheerheartattack"]we at least need the proper chords.[/quote]

That was my message all along! I'm so glad we can agree!

EDIT: For the record, a 57 WILL NOT do it for vocals, rain or shine.
You'd need a large diaphragm condenser and your interface would have to have 48v phantom power to support that.
Factor in $20 for phantom power and the condensers start at $150

Wow. I sure missed alot. >.>