Bad Religion is punk. They rule.

i hate their sound.

I like Brian Baker, but not so much the band as a whole.

[quote="thejedipunk"]all those punk bands that i listed are from england in the heyday of punk. [/quote]

Where do you think The Sex Pistols and The Clash came from, China?

[quote="thejedipunk"]second-its Crass. not "The Crass."n


third-its Lydon. not Liden.[/quote]

What's the differnce? You knew who I was refering to.

[quote="thejedipunk"]i never said that they are sell-outs because they had well known songs. punk was about rejecting everything that was popular. EMI and CBS were popular. i.e: major record label. [/quote]

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. It didn't work that way back then, a label was just a label. Also, EMI was not a huge label back in the 1970s anyway and if I remember right, The Clash weren't the only punk band to sign with CBS, I believe The Ramones did also. Oh wait a minute, in all of your infinate wisdom, you don't thnk The Ramones are a punk band either. If you only knew how laughable that was.

[quote="thejedipunk"]read up on the pistols and clash and tell me if they ever took action. i've never read anywhere that suggested that those bands ever did anything. i read in one book that when McLaren was looking for the singer to the pistols, he was basically looking for someone like rotten. someone to just yell and yell. the pistols and the clash were basically fashion punks. because of them, credentials for punk were made. having doc. martins and a mohawk makes you a punk? hell no. you can wear a fucking plain polo shirt and jeans and still be punk. there are no guide lines for clothing. putting a patch on a jacket is not punk. safety pins in your ears is not punk.[/quote]

I don't have to read up on them I WAS ALIVE WHEN THEY CAME OUT and old enough to remember the Queen of England getting her panties in a bunch over The Pistols and their followers and the stuff they were doing and promoting at the time.

Saftey pins and mowhaks don't make a person punk?? Really, you don't say, I had no idea, thanks so much for enlightening me.

[quote="thejedipunk"]there were tons of record labels back in 1979. its not like it was only EMI and CBS. Crass never wanted to go onto EMI simply because EMI exploits bands. they would force bands to change their sound. EMI was only concered with the money.[/quote]

Really? Were you there? There were never a ton of record labels scammering to sign punk bands. These bands RARELY hit the charts back then like so called punk bands do now. Record labels were and are only interested in making money and for them to sign a punk band back then, they were taking quite a risk. Also, there weren't even close to the amount of record labels around back then that there are now and even less popular labels. Once agian, you don't know what you are talking about.

[quote="thejedipunk"]perhaps the ramones, the pistols and the clash are punk in terms of music. but they didn't know what the scene was. [/quote]

Isn't that what you were refering too? Music? You said you wanted to play punk music, "you know REAL punk, not like The Clash, Sex Pistols kind."

[quote="thejedipunk"]what exactly is punk? punk is DIY. it is rejection of anything mainstream/popular. it is an attitude. it is a way of life. it is an idea that was destoryed by those hacks at kings road. [/quote]

That is the smartest thing I heard you say this whole time. You have to remember, I WAS THERE, I WAS ALIVE when the stuff came out, you were not. The Clash and The Pistols were not popular at the time. The Clash nad a couple of songs in the 1980's that happened to hit the charts, this was long after the hey day of punk was over. People were starting to get used to punk and when that happend, it lost it's momentum and the fear wore off. Ever one and thier mothe had a (-A-) anarchy t-shirt weather they knew what that stood for or not.

Let me get out my DIY Not available for sale promotional CD right now and run down a list of some of the artists.

UK Punk I- Sex Pistols, The Damend, The Adverts
UK Punk II-The Jam, Generation X, Magazine
Blank Generation_The New York Scene-The Ramones, Blondie (yes they were a punk band at one time), Television. just to name a few.

I also have a VHS called Punk Rock Movie that came out in 1981, it's rated R and it's just a bunch of bands preforming. Sex Pistols, Clash, Souxie and the Banshees, Gen X, The Slits, ect.. these bands were all filmed at various concerts in Enland during the hey day of punk.

Jedi, think you should think before you speak, Just because you don't like a band doesn't mean they aren't punk. Most of you guys have absolutely no idea what the punk scene was like back in the 70's and early 80's. The shit litterally struck fear into the hearts of some people because it was so different, it's not AT ALL like it is now days. If you listen to The Jam, they don't sound like your typical punk band either the didn't have safety pins, or mohawks, (most of the punk bands I listened too didn't wear that shit anyway) but they still were a punk band. Punk music was incredably radical and different and there was nothing else like even reomtely like it at the time it came out.

I like Husker Du, but I guess they are more post-punk.

mellie: amen.

i have come to hate the sound of the clash, the sex pistols, the ramones.. but i still at least appreciate their role in the formation of all the punk that followed..

the reason i said that "heyday of punk" thing was because i was referring to a post someone else had done but was too lazy to quote them. and i already knew that blondie was punk. you think i am stupid?

yes, i am very well aware that i was talking about the music. but the reason i said that the pistols and clash were not punk was in terms of the movement and idea. i don't give a rat-ass about their music. forget that for a moment. THEY NEVER DID SHIT FOR THE MOVEMENT. did they ever fucking pull off something like this:

http://www.southern.com/southern/label/CRC/09410.html

or

http://www.southern.com/southern/label/CRC/09422.html

i don't think so. the pistols and the like were only being obixious kids. thats the only reason they were in the papers.

really, i think that your preception of punk has been shaped from the fashion that it became. just like these pictures suggest:

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/thejedipunk/Clash.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/thejedipunk/p06204bq6k5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/thejedipunk/544-big-ramones.jpg[/img]

so what if you were there? that doesn't really make any difference because you think punk is what the pistols, clash and ramones made it out to be: a fashionable lifestyle. to them, punk was a big party. but you don't know about those who made it a struggle to help save humanity. telling me who the hell was on a video and disc that you bought years ago isn't really convincing or impressing me in any way.

true i wasn't there. i wish i was.

oh yeah, Sid was emo!

[quote="thejedipunk"]i don't give a rat-ass about their music. [/quote]

clearly.

Music totally shouldn't be evaluated by how it sounds.

wait...

music. designed to be pleasing to the ears. statement comes second.

if crass wanted to be more influential, maybe they should have made more listenable music. every single song sounds like just a guy playing a washboard, with thickly accented yelling of "fucking fucker fucking fuck, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fucking fuck" over top.

And bands certainly shouldn't be evaluated by their music, either. I mean, the purpose of forming a band isn't to make music; it's to further the cause of some"movement" or another.

On a tangent, I have a pet peeve about people who complain about bands "selling out". That term gets thrown around so much that I think it's lost its meaning. Giving up one's principles in exchange for money is what it means (at least to me). The only way I think a band could really "sell out" is if they were to state in the first place that they'd never sign with a major label, and then proceeded to do so.

[quote="AWPJudy"]statement comes second. [/quote]

Or not at all.
Ideally.

Crass was more influential in terms of their message/lyrics. to them, music was a tool to spread their message.

really, this was a stupid arguement. Mellie, you should know better than to assume that the whole world loves the pistols, clash or the ramones.

its like my cousin said: "The Pistols are the 70's Blink 182."

back on topic, any recommendations for the bass guitar. it doesn't matter about the style of music. just any recommandations are welcomed.

not saying you have to like them. at least respect that they are responsible for starting the punk movement, even if you disagree with their politics.

"The Pistols are the 70's Blink 182."

laughable. you ever been beaten up by random assholes on the street for listening to blink 182? didnt think so.

i acknowledge that it was them brought it to fruition. but i think that others could have done the samething. but i do give them much credit for destorying the movment. i should say that its not only them, but they played a big part in killing it.

i'm not about to kick someone's ass for listening to the pistols or anything like that. thats just plain lame.