[quote="supertrampolineschoolkid"]It's doesn't matter how "the band" creates music, because "the band" doesn't create music. Sawao creates music and tells the other members what to do. So in essence, no, the other members don't need to be credited because they didn't do anything but follow orders. [/quote]

Wow.
Start a Sawao/Predators/Spiky Brothers forum then.

So you're saying that Manabe, Shin, and Jun are worth shit?

I love Sawao as much as the next guy, but this just sounds bad, " Other members don't need to be credited because they didn't do anything but follow orders. ".
Now, I see what Tidusauron12 meant, and it makes perfect sense, but this is just bad.
Its not really Sawao and his band, is it?
Kenji was the leader when he was around, but they weren't referred to as Ueda Kenji's band was it?

[quote="Utsuseru"][quote="ThankYouMyTwilight"] I find this talk about the dispensibility of the members really, really nauseating, not to offend any of you.
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I think about it this way, Sawao conceives the song, shares it with the rest of the band, and they improve upon it.[/quote]


Agreed!

[quote="sheerheartattack"][quote="Camio"][quote="sheerheartattack"]I like how everyone has an opinion on how the pillows write songs without substantiating it with anything at all.[/quote]

opinions shouldnt have to be substantiated, its not a fucking debate. It's shooting the shit.
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False. Opinions on tastes, feelings, preferences - these do not need to be substantiated. Opinions on real, objective things most certainly do. You all are saying the equivalent of, "I think the Eiffel Tower is in Italy." Even if you say, "No, I think it's in France," your opinion is worth naught unless you can point out why you believe it is so.[/quote]

if you're trying to prove something you need proof. If you're just shooting the shit, chatting, theorizing for the hell of it. I'm not gonna charge you for proof. To hang onto opinions in the face of proof is one thing, but that wasnt really the case now was it.

I get the feeling sheer would be a horrible drinkin buddy.

what we were talking is less like "the eiffel tower is in italy" , "no it's in france"

more like "I believe in bigfoot, he's some cool step up the evolutionary ladder" "I'm pretty sure its some guy running around in an ape suit." "you shouldnt even talk about this you have no proof! stupids!"

[quote="Camio"]
if you're trying to prove something you need proof. If you're just shooting the shit, chatting, theorizing for the hell of it. I'm not gonna charge you for proof. To hang onto opinions in the face of proof is one thing, but that wasnt really the case now was it.
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First of all, maybe the debate has gone entirely over your head, since there is a vast argument in this thread determining whether or not Sawao is the sole writer of pillows songs. Additionally, to create [i]strong[/i] opinions on [i]anything[/i] (even Bigfoot or the Eiffel Tower) without proof is nonobjective and, quite frankly, stupid. Suggestions (i.e. "Perhaps Sawao writes...) are valid, but conclusions (i.e. "The songs must be written this way...") are not. The former is "shooting the shit" and "theorizing;" the latter is "trying to prove something."

[quote="Camio"]
I get the feeling sheer would be a horrible drinkin buddy.
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Whether or not I am a decent or poor drinking buddy is determined solely by your level of idiocy.

[quote="Camio"]
what we were talking is less like "the eiffel tower is in italy" , "no it's in france"

more like "I believe in bigfoot, he's some cool step up the evolutionary ladder" "I'm pretty sure its some guy running around in an ape suit." "you shouldnt even talk about this you have no proof! stupids!"[/quote]

It is impossible to determine Bigfoot's legitimacy through objective means. It is not impossible to determine Sawao's writing method. Unless it is never mentioned in an interview, and every person who is aware of it is dead, it is able to be determined. Therefore, the former (my) analogy is best, the latter (yours) one being irrelevant.

[quote="sheerheartattack"][quote="Camio"]
I get the feeling sheer would be a horrible drinkin buddy.
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Whether or not I am a decent or poor drinking buddy is determined solely by your level of idiocy.[/quote]

I get the feeling Sheer is a pretty awesome drinking buddy. Even if he sucks at Halo.

Can I laser sheer?

[quote="sheerheartattack"]
this debate is serious business

I like it when things are nice calm and rational

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oh

[quote="Camio"]
I like cocks.

In my butt.
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There's nothing wrong with that.

[quote="sheerheartattack"][quote="Camio"]
I like cocks.

In my butt.
[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

Childish.
I'm probably the youngest member here, but even I haven't gone down to using this kind of crap as an attempted insult, or whatever the hell you were trying to do, to other members. And after you read this post you'll probably go through every topic trying to find an occurence of me throwing the same stupid type of insult or joke (etc.) that you just threw at Camio.

What the fuck, are you in 7th grade?
You might as well be throwing insults at his mother!
Instead of doing this kind of crap, try and be mature about it, and explain your hostility towards Camio, and reach a goddamn understanding!

Being given advice from a 13 year old about your "level of maturity" should be motive enough...

thank you, MyTwilight

You're welcome Keitar0.
The tabs help loads!

Sheer, knock it off, Camio, stop arguing over stupid things with him.

wow IM to the rescue.

ok I've had my fun.

This is getting a bit too serious for me.

Anyway, I suppose I owe the young one a lesson in humor, as he is apparently also too young to understand humor, and how it is entirely separate from hostility, of which I have none. In fact, I could easily have a friendly conversation with Camio tomorrow, with no regard to this conversation. [i]That[/i] is what constitutes maturity. It's not childish to use said humor (unless you use it in a serious or offensive manner) - it's childish to write a serious tirade about it (and to swear in order to reinforce your purported maturity). In fact, the humor is derived from compounding the immaturity of Camio's post by rebutting it with something even more ridiculous and absurd. So yes, while on a superficial level, it is quite immature - that's the point.

Well, what I mean to say, though, is that I couldn't think of anything to say about his mother.

Yeah, that's Sheer's type of humor. Trust me. Also, I thought it was funny.

But as a moderator, glad you kids settled down.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Kaze?[/quote]

Yeah I deleted a post with some more proof with Sawao's own words, but I figured that no would care/pretend like its something else/twist it around, but whatever. I have no doubt about what i was arguing. If people don't want to be open minded I really don't care.