Thanks Plat. I honestly thought it was a cover of the Nine Miles song of the same name since they ruined another one on the previous single, but I guess I didn't spend years learning Japanese and do an in depth study like Mare did. Oh well, it still doesn't excuse Sawao from jacking the (rather cool) title from Manabe and that's what I fell back on.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]I may just be bullshitting here, but since Japanese culture and Japanese people are very different from what we are used to, I'm not entirely sure how comfortable a musician would feel networking and directing others in such a manner (although Sawao does seem to have no problem with making Manabe and Shin his bitches).[/quote]

Japanese people aren't space aliens and music there came about from Western influence. This is how the West operates. I can't see why a modern Japanese musician would feel uncomfortable being asked by a friend that owns a recording studio to come down, record for a band, and get credit in liner notes instead of being paid. I mean I don't think musicians there have a samurai-esque code of honor and only pick up their instrument when money is involved and not when it's an informal request made by somebody they're familiar with.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]I also don't think most bands have the management to tour or even organize bands of more than even four people. You surely must have been in a band or two, so you'd know that it's hard enough to even get that many people to cooperate.[/quote]

Not many bands of more than four people last longer than a band of four people. Yes, it's hard. It helps if everyone is dedicated to their craft and genuinely love music and aren't in it to impress people with their skill or get high/get pussy.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]And as for the last point, I don't think that the pillows make songs in a rush, but it seems to me that the community (if you can call the "four" of them that) mindset is a whole lot different. It's just one guy writing songs, and really showing them to only three people, who will all collaborate until they have a finished product. It would probably be very difficult or awkward to throw other artists and musicians into that culture.[/quote]

Only Sawao writes the songs though. The other guys just get bossed around amirite rofl

[quote="sheerheartattack"]I know, personally, that when I'm in a band, I consider loyalty, dedication, and kinship far above technique or skills.[/quote]

Hell yeah!

[quote="sheerheartattack"]A band is a close unit, and if you're a writer, you need someone you'd feel comfortable exposing yourself to in order to get your unadulterated ideas out in the open and make a final product.[/quote]

I disagree. If you can get an idea across to three other guys who could be murdering hookers in their spare time and doing lines up out of their stab wounds, then you can talk with somebody you've never met with before and tell them what you want. It helps if you know how to hum or sing a note.

[quote="Joyeuse"]Culen's got a valid point - it's not just a case of two bands happening to have a song that's named the same thing. Manabe and Sawao are in the same band. And the title isn't something you would normally think of to be duplicated accidentally.

Both of you chill out and stop being douches.[/quote]

I beg to differ about it being logical. His connection here is simply to be annoying and bash the group, as he didn't even know it wasn't a cover. If he had listened to the songs and/or looked at the lyrics, he would never have come to such a silly idea. This is a classic case of him bashing things without having any real knowledge of what is actually going on. They may be in the same band, but it's obvious to anybody that listened to both of the songs that they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

What did I [i]just say[/i] about chilling out?

Plat, I made a mistake. I honestly thought it was a cover of a Nine Miles song since that was what they did on the prior single. I now know better and am now aware that it's a song title Sawao took from a Nine Miles song. Can you maybe tell Mare to stop taking The Pillows so seriously? I mean they're just a Japanese band that has little influence on American culture. He's getting a bit deep into all this.

I kind of meant for both of you to stop attacking each other. But just to be safe, let me clarify:

Stop attacking each other.

[quote="FZ-3 Fuzz"] they're just a Japanese band that has little influence on American culture.[/quote]

That's where you're wrong.
They may not have a big influence on a great number, but they have a huge impact on a select few. This may sound stupid, but I define myself through some of their music now. Their music just seems to have so much more relevance and depth than most music today.

Yeah that wasn't my intention. I was attacking The Pillows, but Mare is apparently their bodyguard on an internet forum or something. I was trying to be civil with him on the last page, but he seems to only want to latch onto my mistaking a bad song with the same name as a Nine Miles song for a bad cover of a Nine Miles song on a previous single. I guess I should be a bit more careful next time and just not even bother talking with him since all it comes to is "Sawao can do no wrong".

[quote="Utuseru"]That's where you're wrong.
They may not have a big influence on a great number, but they have a huge impact on a select few. This may sound stupid, but I define myself through some of their music now. Their music just seems to have so much more relevance and depth than most music today.[/quote]

No, I am not wrong. They have a small, albeit even mindlessly dedicated fanbase and that's about it. Hence "little" influence. I wouldn't be interested in music as I am now if it weren't for The Pillows but I don't think all modern American music is shit and The Pillows are saviors of rock.

I remember Culen saying he liked the Third Eye.

Oh, and did Culen get special permission from terra to circumnavigate his ban? If not, a certain mod online right now should probably do his job. It's not that I don't like Culen, but the sexual tension between him and Mare is thicker than panda e-peen right now, and I've already blue-balled once this week. Hurry up and have the make-up sex. :]

[quote="FZ-3 Fuzz"]Yeah that wasn't my intention. I was attacking The Pillows, but Mare is apparently their bodyguard on an internet forum or something. I was trying to be civil with him on the last page, but he seems to only want to latch onto my mistaking a bad song with the same name as a Nine Miles song for a bad cover of a Nine Miles song on a previous single. I guess I should be a bit more careful next time and just not even bother talking with him since all it comes to is "Sawao can do no wrong".[/quote]

Okay, one, I'm not attacking Culen. I've been just as civil as him, and, in fact, more so. I was pointing out a flaw in one of his many "lol the pillows suck look at this" posts. When I see something stupid and logically flawed from somebody, I'm bound to point it out. In this case, he continued to argue his point by trying to mock me, which I also pointed out.

[quote="Jomei"]I remember Culen saying he liked the Third Eye. [/quote]

IIRC I liked a few aspects of it. The dual guitar part in particular was something so un-pillows and cool that I found it to be enjoyable but by and large, the song was still lacking. Knowing this was the band responsible for all of Nonfiction helped too.

And no I haven't gotten permission from Terra, but I'm not making a wallpaper of old people having sex my avatar either and that was the final nail in the coffin the first time around. The two warnings I got before that were from CajunBushi and we both hated each other, so maybe Plat is giving me a break here. I don't know.

[quote="FZ-3 Fuzz"]

[quote="Utuseru"]That's where you're wrong.
They may not have a big influence on a great number, but they have a huge impact on a select few. This may sound stupid, but I define myself through some of their music now. Their music just seems to have so much more relevance and depth than most music today.[/quote]

No, I am not wrong. They have a small, albeit even mindlessly dedicated fanbase and that's about it. Hence "little" influence. I wouldn't be interested in music as I am now if it weren't for The Pillows but I don't think all modern American music is shit and The Pillows are saviors of rock.[/quote]


yea i'll agree with culen there. i think utuseru you justly misunderstood what he said. he was talking on a demographic level versus a personal level. yea to the individual you are the little busters.....but they arent top of the line everyone-knows-who-the-hell-they-are.

I meant more along the lines that they are more shy - or that it is more acceptable to be that way, rather than that they are concerned with profit.


[quote="FZ-3 Fuzz"]
[quote="sheerheartattack"]A band is a close unit, and if you're a writer, you need someone you'd feel comfortable exposing yourself to in order to get your unadulterated ideas out in the open and make a final product.[/quote]

I disagree. If you can get an idea across to three other guys who could be murdering hookers in their spare time and doing lines up out of their stab wounds, then you can talk with somebody you've never met with before and tell them what you want. It helps if you know how to hum or sing a note.[/quote]

The idea was that the three other guys aren't hooker murderers, but rather close, personal friends. It's harder to be completely honest artistically with a bunch of strangers than it is with a few close friends.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Okay, one, I'm not attacking Culen. I've been just as civil as him, and, in fact, more so. I was pointing out a flaw in one of his many "lol the pillows suck look at this" posts. When I see something stupid and logically flawed from somebody, I'm bound to point it out. In this case, he continued to argue his point by trying to mock me, which I also pointed out.[/quote]

Yeah okay. I just responded to your nerd rage in kind, bro. And sorry but despite being on this forum, the pillows' discography in full is not memorized by me. Sorry for slipping below your standards, Mare. I'll be sure to learn Japanese and be a watchdog for the glory of The Pillows' wonderful, timeless contributions on Gaia or something to make up for this grave error.

[b]LEAVE GAIA OUT OF THIS. >: [[/b]

[quote="sheerheartattack"]I meant more along the lines that they are more shy - or that it is more acceptable to be that way, rather than that they are concerned with profit.[/quote]

Ah, I understand now. Yeah if a perrson is shy then I guess they can't rely on hiring strangers because they wouldn't be able to express their ideas, but Sawao has done this on past albums so I'm just kinda confused why he wouldn't do it on these albums too.


[quote="FZ-3 Fuzz"]
The idea was that the three other guys aren't hooker murderers, but rather close, personal friends. It's harder to be completely honest artistically with a bunch of strangers than it is with a few close friends.[/quote]

Hey I have close friends too, but I'm not with them 24/7.

Who knows what Jun is up to when The Pillows aren't touring/recording.

[quote="Jomei"][b]LEAVE GAIA OUT OF THIS. >: [[/b][/quote]

I should register Culen Mk. VI just to troll the Musician's forum and flame metalheads.