[quote="Thinliine"]6- Jimmy Page
5- Bob Dylan[/quote]


You have Jimmy Page one scale step above Bob Dylan. Writing good lyrics is not part of guitar playing.


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After seeing the solo to Hybrid Rainbows, I'd say he's a very good guitarist. Not the best I've heard, but I'm glad he's there to listen to.

Or... however I meant to word that.

[quote="demiphoenix"]After seeing the solo to Hybrid Rainbows, I'd say he's a very good guitarist. Not the best I've heard, but I'm glad he's there to listen to.

Or... however I meant to word that.[/quote]

One's guitar-fanning speed doesn't neccessarily mean they're a "very good guitarist".

A better argument might have been: After hearing Living Field, I'd say he's a very good guitarist.

Yeah, those guitar-rating scales are a little tough to get down in the lower numbers. I was having trouble thinking of people who fit. Jimmy Page is/was a very creative player, but was really sloppy in later live performances. Bob Dylan is actually about a four. As I *said*, he compensates for easy playing with songwriting skill and influence. Dylan does have his share of memorable guitar parts, though.

And for the record, I don't think Yngwie is anywhere NEAR the level or Django or Justin King, musically. He gets a ten for sheer technical ability. And I still don't like Yngwie. At all.

I think that it's too difficult to make a ranking if you include creativity and songwriting ability, since those things are subjective. If you include those things, where are John Lennon and George Harrison? They'd arguably be at the very top because of their massive songwriting talent and influence.

[quote="Ciidric"]I gave him a seven. He has come up with some pretty wonderful lines in his day, and he's good at being catchy. Nothing amazing, but definetly stellar.[/quote]

That's a good way how to put it, I agree.

HEBLOWSLOCKPLZ

living field ftw.

Yngwie isn't that technically advanced. Shit, he's not even that fast. He just pioneered that style within rock music.

You leave out all the classical guitarist that completely own everybody. In comparison, shitty guitarists like Bob Dylan, Manabe, Hendrix and so forth are way below mediocre. Music like that appeals only to the musically uneducated. And shitty guitarists are now "guitar gods".

OMG IRONY RITE GUYS?

After having studied music, I'm still pretty open minded and that's why I can still listen to some rock music.

You guys fail to realize that there are more musicians than rock guitarists. Manabe is not creative. Not even in the slightest bit. I used to think he was, until I discovered actual musicians, not guitar players that do it as a hobby and can put out shitty albums, knowing that musical retards will eat it up. I could give you Bach's Organ Works to listen to and you guys would be all "This is stupid. How could anybody listen to this?" It's because nobody understands it that it has died out of modern music. It's not a big deal that you don't get it, but coming out of nowhere having claims that Jimi Hendrix is the best guitar player ever is stupid. Not only is it an uneducated claim, but it is false. Even though is is by preference, it is still false. Any way you look at it. There is no argument that can prove it wrong.

Personally, I find the most creative musican to be J.S. Bach. I don't see how anybody couldnt? He is the reason why music works. He is why rock's power chord works. Basically all of musics rules were learned by studying his pieces. If that's not creative, I don't know what is.

Now there's going to be the argument that "music doesn't need rules." In this case, I want anybody who says that to write a piece of music that sounds good without using anything bach created. It's impossible.

And I leave, hoping that you will understand this rant, and know that I'm not trying to be a dick, but want you to think, and give music other than rock a chance, because if not, then it's not me who is closed minded, but you.

We measure Manabe against rock guitarists and not Bach because Manabe [b]is[/b] a rock guitarist.

[quote="StevenB130"]Music like that appeals only to the musically uneducated.[/quote]
In response to this and to your presumption of everyone’s (other then your mighty self – “PRAISE ME” ) inability to comprehend the workings of anything other than rock music, realize that it is quite possible to understand and appreciate the majesty of, for instance, a Steinbeck novel yet still be able to appreciate the relatively mindless fun of some Star Wars novel. Same goes for music. One can understand all of the intricacies of the various masters of musical composition and still enjoy (perhaps even moreso) the poppy beat of a modern rock song.

[quote="StevenB130"]In this case, I want anybody who says that to write a piece of music that sounds good without using anything bach created. It's impossible. [/quote]
I don’t want to downplay Bach’s influence, which is undeniable, but he did not create music. If anything he has operated in a similar fashion to your description of all of these crap rock guitarists -- as these sinfully bad guitarists allegedly derive all of their work from observing Bach, Bach simply observed (depending on your religious views) another Creator’s work, finding what is pleasing to the ear and using his findings to create beautiful music. Everything done musically is derivative of nature, finding what sounds exciting, soothing, invigorating, or whatever, and using it. And while Bach may have found out many musical “rules” before most, that does not prevent other from discovering them on their own, through experimentation, thereby expressing just as much personal creativity.

[quote="StevenB130"]want you to think, and give music other than rock a chance, because if not, then it's not me who is closed minded, but you.[/quote]
I don't recall (though I suppose I certainly may have overlooked something) anyone badmouthing music other than rock, certainly not classical. Where is the evidence of no one giving other music a chance? There are certainly people here other than you who enjoy a wide variety of music. Rock music is naturally talked about more here because this is a forum for a [b]rock band[/b].

Guys. Don't type so much. Reading is haaard.

tl; dr

[quote="StevenB130"]::ignorant rant::[/quote]

You can't be angry with someone who has different tastes. Example: saying that someone doesn't like Living Field because they "don't understand jazz". Oh sure, we can all appreciate the works of Bach, but when it comes to choosing to listen to masterfully done classical music, or an ass kicking rock song, the people who choose rock prbably do it because of individual [i]preference[/i].

" Bob Dylan, Manabe, Hendrix and so forth are way below mediocre. Music like that appeals only to the musically uneducated."

Nice job being a fucking elitist. Because everyone knows you need to be a mastermind-prodigy guitarist to make anything remotely interesting and worth a listen.

[b]Bottom line:[/b] If the music pleases you, listen to it. The skill of the artist has little to do with what people like. While we should appreciate the work people like Bach contributed to music in general, no one should be deemed "uneducated" for choosing not to listen to them.

I really hope most of your post was sarcastic. My response shouldn't be some gleaming epiphany.

[quote="GoldenRhino"][b]Bottom line:[/b] If the music pleases you, listen to it. The skill of the artist has little to do with what people like. While we should appreciate the work people like Bach contributed to music in general, no one should be deemed "uneducated" for choosing not to listen to them.[/quote]
verity.

[quote="Jomei"]Guys. Don't type so much. Reading is haaard. [/quote]
seconded

I never mix classical music with popular music, they just have different goals. And there's much JS Bach fellation also, like snigwel said he didn't invented that stuff, and altough his rules are still widely today there were additions to music theory over time.