I think what they are trying to say is that with Sawao's strumming, it limits Shin's full capacity. Shin can't just make up any drum beat. He has to make it work and flow with the chords on beat. To have a good song, you can't work alone. You have to find the connection between all the instruments. What if Manabe just started the solo in the middle of a verse in Moon Marquerite? Jun's notes and Sawao's voice would clash and make the song sound bad. It's just like that with Shin.

Quit making excuses for CHICHIRO.

seriously though, after listening to the album, i blame it mostly on sawao's strumming.

That's pretty ridiculous. If he weren't satisfied with his work on the album, he could have left the band. Sato's drumming isn't terribly original to begin with, and this is rock and roll music; not exactly the best medium for a drummer to experiment a whole lot.

[quote="terra"][quote="StevenB130"]Terra, we're talking about strum pattern, not tempo. And yes, it would be very nice to have drums that relate to the song. But due to Sawao's boring strum patterns, there aren't many punches or places for Shin to do anything. Just dance beat, or generic rock beat behind everything. The drummer is supposed to lead the band, not sit behind and follow.[/quote]

ok. so, clear up my confusion... why would the strum patterns limit the drumming? why wouldn't the drummer be able to do what he wants as long as everyone's playing using the same time signature?[/quote]

If you're doing straight 8ths, there's not long tones or rests to clear up room for any other instrument without too much going on harmonically, and rythmically. You can't really have straight 8ths mixed with drums playing more rythmically interesting than a dance beat or whatever he's doing. This would enable shin to set stuff up, thus leading the band into what's coming next.

Also, I'm not saying anything about time signatures, just that both are playing boring, generic rythms. That's all. But then again, I could be wrong. Grant Green anybody? Although rock and big band are completely different.

Someone send'em this tread

[quote="_KeitarO_"]Someone send'em this tread[/quote]

And risk all of our lives? NO!!! You think Sawao is unforgiving, wait till you feel THE WRATH OF [b]CHICHIRO!!!![/b]

how have you guys not noticed after this many YEARS:

[b][size=150][color=red]STEVEN IS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.[/size][/color][/b]

yeah honestly, shin's drumming isnt sawao's fault, i'm sure he could still use fills if he wanted to, but i barely hear any on this album.

Plus, i don't see your problem with sawao on this album, i thought the guitars and bass were the best things on this album, cause i think sawao's voice gets annoying on some tracks, and shin's drumming is really the same alot. It does actually get a little hard to make up original drumming thta stands out from other songs, but it'd be nice if he had some more fills.

[quote="Jomei"]That's pretty ridiculous. If he weren't satisfied with his work on the album, he could have left the band. Sato's drumming isn't terribly original to begin with, and this is rock and roll music; not exactly the best medium for a drummer to experiment a whole lot.[/quote]


first of all, this is definitely not rock and roll music, and second, it's a great medium for drummers.


edit: that is, rock and roll music is.

How is this not rock and roll? Also, any good drummer knows that rock beats are, by nature, simple, and that jazz is a much better outlet.

[quote="clouds drive monster"]first of all, this is definitely not rock and roll music, and second, it's a great medium for drummers.


edit: that is, rock and roll music is.[/quote]
Pop rock is still rock.

I think that there could have been more interesting fills in My Foot, but I'd guess that Shin thought that a simplistic approach would fit better with the style of music they do now.

[quote="overAmped"][quote="clouds drive monster"]first of all, this is definitely not rock and roll music, and second, it's a great medium for drummers.


edit: that is, rock and roll music is.[/quote]
Pop rock is still rock.

I think that there could have been more interesting fills in My Foot, but I'd guess that Shin thought that a simplistic approach would fit better with the style of music they do now.[/quote]

but it's not rock and roll.

[quote]How is this not rock and roll? Also, any good drummer knows that rock beats are, by nature, simple, and that jazz is a much better outlet.[/quote]

as sais above, it's pop rock. And if you are willing to carry that opinion over to the rest of the albums, be my guest, but on smile, happy bivouac, and similar albums, shin excelled.

So you're saying that rock 'n' roll and pop rock are two completely different genres? I'd say pop rock is more like a sub-genre. But I've always thought that worrying about the specific genre that music falls into is a real waste of time.

In my opinion, the only thing in which Shin excels is tastefulness. He knows restraint and never plays beyond what is beneficial to the song.

Word to what overAmped says about genres.