GIMME A FUNKY BEAT. JEDI JUST DROPPED THAT SHIT.

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[quote="thejedipunk"]

Yeah, it isn't a Queen forum. But why are you bringing them into the discussion when you're already bitching about another band invading this forum, even if you are trying to make an objective argument?

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-20 pts. for completely missing the point, and not really knowing what you're talking about. Unless you can find where I said, "I don't like it when people merely mention Number Girl or any other band that isn't the pillows."

[quote="thejedipunk"]

And you're right. I am bashing them just to bash them. This has been fact for more than a year. The only reason being pure comical satisfaction. It doesn't mean I hate them (well except for Sawao).

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I know I'm right. That's called stating the obvious. Always. But it seems you've misconstrued my intentions of these posts as well: pure comical satisfaction. Hint: It's working.

[quote="thejedipunk"]

You're also right about me not noticing. You obviously haven't noticed that my post count has substantially declined since the later part of the previous year. I don't recall making any arguments in favor of dropping the pillows for NG, but it wouldn't surprise me if I did. Quite frankly, you seem to be taking those statements incredibly personally for a band you have no real world relationship with. You still seem to be not grasping the concept that attacking Number Girl will get you no where because I don't give a damn if you think of them as being tremendously forgettable and even when compared to the pillows.

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You seem to be taking personally whatever I'm saying, with the misconception that I'm taking any of this personally myself. While I don't take it personally, I do take exception to utter stupidity, and will take note to remark on it if ever I see it.

[quote="thejedipunk"]

You also seem to not understand that anything that you might say will not persuade myself or any other person here to "GTFO" just because you don't want to read negative comments about the pillows. I already told you can move to Swanky Street if you want to see positive remarks, or even intelligent conversations. Or you can even leave the entire pillows fan community altogether. No one here is forcing you to read the remarks and most certainly, no one is stopping you from leaving.

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I guess I'll have to explain a few things to you. It's okay, I don't mind educating. When persons on the internet use the slang "GTFO," despite its literal meaning, they seldom actually mean for the other party to leave. Generally, its more accurate meaning is more parallel with "You are being a dumbass." I suppose it's somewhat understandable to confuse literal meanings with actual meanings with internet slang.

Secondly, your reasons for me moving/leaving are all but compelling. I never said I cared about negative comments about the pillows. What I do note, however, are stupid, baseless comments that are better made by a retarded antelope.

its not bad, i do hear the similarities to one life though, but eh who cares.

I'm actually kinda hoping the new album goes in the sam direction as they have been going, i like it. It's more upbeat with and has a cool sound. I really like Good Dreams but i liked My Foot better. Sure their old stuff was good, but some of you guys are saying you hate it cause it sounds like their old stuff, so then a differant direction is good.

[quote="Jomei"]1. 99% of IM agrees One Life is a great song
2. According to many members, Scarecrow is a "carbon copy" of One Life
Conclusion: Many members of IM should agree that Scarecrow is a great song. [/quote]
Okay, no one has, so I'm gonna call bullshit on this statement.

Had "Scarecrow" been there instead of "One Life" back in the day, sure, this works, but as it stands "Scarecrow" sounds like a hapless retread born from a lack of ideas. "Carbon-copy" may be a liberal exaggeration, but it gets the point across - there's been no real sense of progression since [i]Good Dreams[/i], and that's a bit disconcerting for a band that has changed so much throughout the years. We expect better than recycling.

Also, sheerheartattack, excellent job on bringing up Number Girl in a discussion that had nothing to do with them.

Wow and atomsk iscariot, way to miss points by only reading (or maybe comprehending?) part of a post.

I think that scarecrow is what we like to call "progress" by the pillows. They don't site there and consistently put out album after album of the same style; every time it's been something different. Scarecrow, while having some similarities to One Life, isn't really that similar. It sounds slightly reminiscent of their older stuff, but it's really not that much.

I'm gonna call some bullshit on most of you:

[quote="most IMers"]I wish the pillows would go back to their old style[/quote]

You say that, and then when, according to you, that's what they're doing, you say it's horrible and sucks and blah blah blah blah blah. GUESS WHAT? They're NOT going back to their old style. That's not how they roll. But unfortunately it seems like some of you fucktards won't be happy with what they put out no matter what. You complain and complain for a year that you want more stuff like certain things, and you get something that has a hint of it, and you bash it. You know what? Fuck you.

[quote="Marekenshin"]Scarecrow, while having some similarities to One Life, isn't really that similar. It sounds slightly reminiscent of their older stuff, but it's really not that much.[/quote]
I suppose it's all relative, but the verses seem practically identical to me, and that simply really bothers me and affects my ability to enjoy the song. But man, I have the exact same problems with "Sono Mirai wa Ima," which a lot of people inexplicably love here, so this could be solely my problem anyway.

Personally, I don't think they've progressed at all since [i]Penalty Life[/i], which, though pretty spotty, at least experimented with some new ideas. A lot of people here might disagree with me on this, but [i]Good Dreams[/i] to me was pretty much entirely a worthless retread of previous ground, aside from a few songs that emphasized the dual guitar attack that would make [i]My Foot[/i] pretty decent. Regardless, I don't hear much of a difference between [i]Good Dreams[/i] and "the golden era" of LB, RH, and HB in terms of overall sound - the main difference is in the songwriting, which has devolved more than a little. And that's the feeling "Scarecrow" gives me - that of a devolved "One Life."

I for one do not exhibit the hypocrisy you speak of: ever since discovering the [i]Kool Spice[/i]-era, I have been utterly enamored with this band's ability to change and grow over time. I always have wanted them to go for different styles, but I think my problem with them as of late is the exact opposite of a lot of people on this board: to my ears, they aren't taking chances anymore.

If you think the verses really sound the same, you either fail at music in general or just need to get your ears checked. Because seriously, it only faintly resembles it.

And who says the pillows were ever taking huge risks? I really doubt that when they were making music the made a decision to do so. I also think that the fact that NO TWO ALBUMS HAVE SOUNDED THE SAME points to them changing every time. Not every album is going to be a hit. And, as has been reiterated more than a billion times, just because you loved/hated an album doesn't mean everybody else feels the same way about it.

So I have a few homework assignments for you today:

1) GET YOUR EARS CHECKED.

2) Once that's done, go listen to LB/HB/RH. Just pick one. Listen to Good Dreams. If necessary listen to one track of one, then a track of the other. Then realize that you're being fucking retarded and Good Dreams really doesn't sound like those albums.

3) After you're done with that, try listening CAREFULLY AND OBJECTIVELY to the melodies of One Life and Scarecrow, and if you still feel that they're the same, repeat steps 1 and 3 until you stop being fucking retarded.

Dude, I am calmly discussing this song with you and you are accusing me of being "fucking retarded." I realize you're kind of worked up over everyone jumping on Culen's bandwagon (which [i]is[/i] retarded, as Culen is less of a person and more of an ever-damning opinion at this point), but there's no need to throw it on someone who merely has a differing opinion from yours.

[quote="Atomsk Iscariot"]the verses seem practically identical to me[/quote]

that's what i'm getting worked up about. I should have said it a bit nicer, but check again there.

and sorry, you're right; I am being unnecessarily rude.

The cadence of Sawao's vocal melody is the most striking similarity to me, and when combined with the extremely similar chord progression... it's just too close for it not to bother me.

[quote="Marekenshin"]But unfortunately it seems like some of you fucktards won't be happy with what they put out no matter what. You complain and complain for a year that you want more stuff like certain things, and you get something that has a hint of it, and you bash it. You know what? Fuck you.[/quote]

A) Just because we can recognize when a song isn't as good as another song, and just because we can recognize when there has been a decline in song-writing quality...doesn't mean we're just outright bashing the pillows.

B) You preach how everyone is entitled to their own opinions about music, yet tell them to fuck off when they don't completely agree with you.

C) The One Life comparisons frankly just don't matter. What matters is if the song's good or not. What matters is if I'd want to listen to Scarecrow over any other single the pillows have released. Right now, the only reason I'd want to do that is because it's new.

D) Understand that I don't hate the song. Also understand that it's a very good thing when people can break past their fanboyish nature and fairly evaluate a piece of work. Again, I'm not saying you're not entitled to loving the song, but from someone who says "Oh yeah, I love everything the pillows have done, they don't have one mediocre song"...I guess it's expected.

E) I think you and sheerheart should take a breather.

I think changing over to NG is a terrible idea, cause they aren't making any more new songs any time soon.

On the plus side, Number Girl didn't exist long enough to put out crappy music. The thing about long-running bands is that time is bound to catch up to them sooner or later. Of course, there's no rule saying you can't like both of them.

I'm going to second what Rhino said, again.

Not even worth it anymore.

[quote="This Thread"]TL;DR[/quote]

jesus, the bickering is even worse than usual lately..

as for my opinion on the whole thing..

i'm in love with goldenjomeirhino. and i actually agree with sheerheartattack for once.

to sum it all up: the pillows suck, number girl sucks, tabuchi and manabe both suck at guitar, and music is dead to me.










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