[quote="sheerheartattack"][quote="junkun"]
3)macs basically just make it harder to do shit right?[/quote]

if you're not adept at computer use, you should probably get a Mac. That said, if you know your way around the technological world, you'll probably get a hell of a lot more out of a PC. [/quote]

My god. You people have to drop the elitist mindset and understand that just because Macs are generally easier to use and more intuitive, DOES NOT MEAN you're limited by them. I've been using computers a great deal ever since I was pretty young. I've dealt a lot with both operating systems, and I still stand by Mac OS.

Saying "Harder and more complex = better" and "easier, more simplistic = worse" is just stupid. Maybe this is just a PERSONAL preference, but I enjoy not having to worry about installing drivers on my computer. I really like the fact I can just plug equipment into my computer and knowing that it will simply WORK. The same goes with viruses, worms, adware and spyware.

I've owned this G4 iMac since (nearly) it's launch date. What was that, 4-5 years ago? I've never dealt with viruses, adware, or anything like that. Ever. I've installed ONE driver.

Pro Tip: Macs can run Mac AND Windows applications.

If you're really into computer gaming, then I personally wouldn't consider a Mac. The fact that they're running Intel chips and can run Windows XP well is great. It's led to better performance of games...but if you wanna play those high-tech FPSs like HL 2, then it's not gonna be so great.

Thankfully, I don't really give a shit about PC games, other than Counter Strike: Source, Stepmania, Warcraft: III, and that Warhammer RTS. Those all run fine on Macs.

Please, PLEASE don't let this escalate into an OS-debate. I've dealt with enough ignorant PC-fanboys in my 16 years.

The bottom line is this: There's no "clear" winner. There doesn't NEED to be. Both have strengths and weaknesses. You just have to decide what has what you need.

One more thing: I don't think junkun should even be considering buying a computer of any sort. Ever.

Edit: Sheerheart, what exactly do you mean by "That said, if you know your way around the technological world, [b]you'll probably get a hell of a lot more out of a PC.[/b]" ....what constitutes 'a hell of a lot more' for you?

I LOVE YOU JUNKUN

i find mac os's lack of custimization options and forced use of the mouse very stifling.

macs can't run windows applcations... a mac uses ppc, but now that apple has switched to x86 in the macbook pros, they're just PCs with mac os on them. know what i mean?

and if you know your way around the computer world, you can have just as much control in osx as windows and linux... it's just easiest to do basic tweaks in linux, then windows, then in osx... harder tweaks (things i don't touch) are annoying in every operating system.

[quote="zenkalia"]i find mac os's lack of custimization options and forced use of the mouse very stifling.

macs can't run windows applcations...[/quote]

The last 2 years you spent living in a cave have been detrimental to you.

All Macs now (G5 iMacs, Power Macs, MacBooks, and MacBook Pros) are being produced with Intel Core Duo chips.

1) Buy a Mac.
2) Install Windows XP and Parallels.
3) Install Final Fantasy XI, Counter Strike: Source, Guild Wars, Oblivion, Phantasy Star: Universe, (entire list of PC games follows).
4) ****
5) PROFIT

There are programs on Macs, just like on Windows that let you control your computer without a mouse.

Just some other things: --Don't have to restart to use Windows XP. Just click a button (or in the MacBook's case, you can even SLAP the side of the screen) to switch desktops. On the fly.

--Go ahead and visit any of the most seedy, un-secure, adware/spyware-laden sites on the internet. Porn, ROMs, anything that has a high risk of fucking up your computer. Your computer emerges flawless, without any harm (at the expense of your guilty conscience). And you didn't even need to buy or download software.

On youtube, search for "MacBook Parallels"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1gQmGwkLWNE
SlapBook (uses the built-in accelerometer):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pazrIP-Adlc

Notice what I'm doing here: Sticking to facts, without being ignorant and bashing. This is a good thing, let's keep it going. There can be multiple winners in this game.

Maybe I should look into getting a Mac next time...

Great video recording and editing: YES.
Great audio recording and editing: YES.
Casual gaming: YES.
Not having to give a shit about security: YES.
Not having to install drivers: YES.
Opening shifty emails that could contain worms, and not worrying about it: YES.
Using Windows applications: YES.
Less hangs and crashes: YES.
Extremely intuitive and user-friendly: YES.
Switching between operating systems in 2 seconds: YES.

Extensive upgradabiltiy: NO. (Macs are pretty much limited to HDD, RAM, and occasionally video-card upgrades).
Playing super high-tech games on max settings: Not so much.

Here's the deal. Just because you need to go into the Device Manager to screw with driver installation, hassle with uninstalling shit, go into the BIOS, fix your registry when you fuck your computer up, hassle with IP settings and permissions, and having a bitch of a time with unexpected errors, [b]does not mean your computer is inherently better.[/b]

[quote="zenkalia"]and if you know your way around the computer world, you can have just as much control in osx as windows and linux... it's just easiest to do basic tweaks in linux, then windows, then in osx... harder tweaks (things i don't touch) are annoying in every operating system.[/quote]
There's plenty of third party apps that make customization in OS X much easier. Can't say that I've ever found it annoying, but I do wish Apple would make more GUI options easily available. At least as much as there were in OS 9.

Haha, platform wars. It's like I'm 16 again.

Macs tend to be better with artistic uses, niche markets, and the like. The MacOS does appeal to some types of people more than others. The new features that enable it to run Windows software are pretty impressive, too. I think the big downside of the Mac is the limited selection in third-party hardware when it comes to end-user upgrading. In a way this has tended to be a feature, though. With the Mac, there's always been a limited number of differing components that could possibly be in your computer, and so Apple's able to much better account for various scenarios and know what's going on with your computer at any given time. Hence the relatively greater stability and lack of driver conflicts and such. Though they are fun to take apart, Macs aren't really for tinkerers.

[quote="zenkalia"]a mac uses ppc, but now that apple has switched to x86 in the macbook pros, they're just PCs with mac os on them. know what i mean? [/quote]

A computer is more than its CPU.

I haven't owned one since my Yosemite blue and white G3 (which is still in my closet), so I'm pretty acclimated to Windows and somewhat to Linux these days - I'd have to relearn my way around the newest versions of OSX. But damn, anyone else remember the old towers where the whole side was a giant door that folded down with the motherboard on it? That kicked so much ass.

I find Windows is functional, and a lot of software generally works with it, but I don't like it at all. I can find analogous software for the most part in Linux, my current OS of choice, and I don't recall having lots of trouble getting by on the Mac, either. PCs are probably better for gamers.

Each set of hardware has its own pros and cons, and it seems that more and more the choice of OS is becoming detached from the hardware. MacOS, Windows, Linux under Mac hardware, Windows, Linux, and very experimental stages of OSX86 on PC hardware.

Hey hey, now Joyeuse. It doesn't NEED to be platform wars.

platform wars happen when you get dumbasses on a certain side or both sides that just feel compelled to say "Macs suck dick/are gay" or "PCs suck dick/are gay".

as a side note, using the word "gay" derogatorily is not cool.

When used frequently enough, it's also ban-worthy.

I'm seeing a few people treading dangerously close to that line in the sand.

[quote="GoldenRhino"]snip[/quote]

well, firstly i mean operating system control by keyboard... next, i didn't know that you could have both operating systems running at the same time... interesting? but ultimately you're in windows and not the mac os when you're running windows applications. unless there's some kind of wine... i'm sure you can compile wine for osx...

that must use a lot of memory, running two operating systems... but just think how cool that is...

*cough* anyways. macs don't get hit by spyware because in the real world, very few people use macs so writing spyware for osx is a waste of time. end of story.

how about this... me:osx::sclone:the man who. it's a nice and pretty os, and i can respect that, but not my cup of tea.

[quote="zenkalia"]well, firstly i mean operating system control by keyboard... next, i didn't know that you could have both operating systems running at the same time... interesting? but ultimately you're in windows and not the mac os when you're running windows applications

*cough* anyways. macs don't get hit by spyware because in the real world, very few people use macs so writing spyware for osx is a waste of time. end of story.[/quote]

-It may be easier to navigate windows by just using a keyboard (it's possible on a Mac too), but honestly. How many times do you find yourself in situation where you don't have access to a mouse?

-You can have both OSes running at the same time. Yeah, that's right when you're in Windows, you're not in Mac OS X (nice logic), but the whole idea is that you can jump in easily to use the key apps you need. There's no problem with using both, and no problem with using both equally (or unequally). I'm just saying that, in my opinion, having a Mac "experience" while using the few Windows apps you need (like...ok, I can only think of games) is very convenient. And also not possible on a PC.

-While the whole "Macs are safer because spammers/hackers don't bother to write for them" argument is true, that's not the extent of it. The full answer would include the fact that OS X is based on UNIX, which is just inherently really really secure.

Computers made by Apple take up about 8% of the market currently. Surely you'd think some people have tried to code malicious shit for attacking Macs. Strangely, I haven't encountered one (working) bit of it.

And really, so what if people don't code viruses/adware/spyware to attack Macs? In my opinion, I'd stop arguing that, and just enjoy the fact that you can use your computer safely and comfortably. While downloading SNES roms, snuff films, Photoshop CD cracks, and cp.

PARTYV7 for greyson. The FBI read your post.

[quote="GoldenRhino"]Hey hey, now Joyeuse. It doesn't NEED to be platform wars.

platform wars happen when you get dumbasses on a certain side or both sides that just feel compelled to say "Macs suck dick/are gay" or "PCs suck dick/are gay".

as a side note, using the word "gay" derogatorily is not cool.[/quote]

this was quite hilarious

and btw, using the word "hilarious" derogatorily is never cool!

As far as I see(the graphic design major), a mac would be really nice to have. Freehand looks and acts like crap on the pc. Mac offers a lot for my major, but for just fooling around and hanging out online I think I'd prefer a pc.