Will someone please explain why we allow Hollywood to cram terrible movies up our asses? Every day there is an idea in a Hollywood director or producer's head that intends to make money rather than an attempt at art. I respect comedy because that itself is an art and the visual aspects of a comedy is simply optional. However, many films in the past few years have no admirable visual qualities at all... 300 is very innovative in it's use of slow motion, lighting, and close-ups (though the story itself was dry and short). There are a few here and there that pop up and are actually worthy of commendation, but when did directors and writers think that money was far more important than the artistic qualities of the film? Why are producers targeting insecure, teenage girls with sappy chick flicks and guys with raging hormones with action films? Why is it that actors are so loved (jesus christ, shut up about Jhonny Depp already...) and directors are in the shadows? Is America afraid of a little thought in their films, a little intelligence in their art? Is the director going to reveal something to you that makes you insecure about your beliefs?

[b]What is this Decaf Mocha Java Frappachino w/ no whip generation?[/b]

Even The Cannes Film festival is getting soft on film... I mean, "Glitter" come on... Why isn't the Cannes Film Festival on NBC or something? We have to watch the Oscars and other meaningless awards shows honoring the greedy SOBs in Hollywood... ugh...

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Welcome to America, land of the people who would rather remain ignorant than open their minds and learn.
The movies with simple storylines work here, because of how many idiots like that, simple.

EDIT-Also, as Sheer mentioned supply and demand[which I was waiting for someone to bring up] I will say this-
The point of the thread was the questioning of why the majority of movies have little artistic value, and people [i]like[/i] what's being put out, so of course you'd rake in millions if you played on people's demands.

So I guess that kind of answers the topic.

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Seriously, I can't think of how many fucking awesome movies I've seen on IFC.

It sounds like [i]somebody[/i] is ignorant here, but I don't think it's the people who are making millions off of the general public.

I have an idea - how about you make a movie that will appeal to a small group of people who watch movies for artistic reasons, and I'll make a movie that will appeal to the general population that watches movies for entertainment reasons. But the only rule is this: you can't complain when I'm raking in millions of dollars and you're still trying to make back the money you spent putting the film together.

[quote="I is buster?"]Will someone please explain why we allow Hollywood to cram terrible movies up our asses?[/quote]
because they make money, and that's what Hollywood wants.

I know there are specifically art films (like "The Cremaster Cycle") and there are entertainment films (everything you see in theaters). But what I'm trying to say is that these entertainment films should also have creativity and great artistic qualities as well. It's having your cake and eating it too...

America has seen some great filmmakers like Steven Spielberg (hit and miss), Billy Wilder (more noir-type) , or Hitchcock. They created popular entertainment films, but they had some good visual qualities to them. Why can't every film have that? You know, put forth some effort for your money.

I wonder then, how many of these directors really enjoy their work?...

We need a Roberto Begnini, Vittorio De Sica, or a Fredrico Fellini. How about a Robert Murnau or Fritz Lang? Maybe Akira Kurosawa or Yasujiro Ozu?

But you forget that you [i]can't[/i] eat your cake and have it too - hence the phrase.

I find it funny that all those people you mentioned have foreign-sounding names in a thread where you complain about American films (don't get me wrong though, I'm sure that a number of them are, in fact, American).

Pretty much the question has been answered. Big-name studios are all about the profit, and they'll make the movies that sell. Every so often we'll get a good film that also has wide appeal and sells well, but for the most part people want to see what those of us who like to feel superior consider to be trash.

So stop complaining.

[quote="Joyeuse"](don't get me wrong though, I'm sure that a number of them are, in fact, American).[/quote]

Sorry, no... those on the bottom were Italian, German, and Japanese (my favorite directors)

So, you are ok with the lowered expectations, and thus lowered creativity in modern film?

**Anyone care to continue the discussion now that the boards are back up?**

Yeah films have gotten worse, but there are artistic ones that have been in theaters. You have the new version of Romeo and Juliet, and Babel. Would you really buy those movies?

Babel wasn't that fucking good. The girl's pussy wasn't shaved, so I was irritated.

[quote="Jomei"]Babel wasn't that fucking good. The girl's pussy wasn't shaved, so I was irritated.[/quote]

wait, what?




however, i'm gonna have to agree with the thread generally, because watching most movies/tv nowadays just disappoints me.. they're just not appealing... bad camerawork, bad acting.. yadda yadda

because in america.

money is worth the paper it's written on.

art is not.

we feel the need too justify everything we do with something tangible. Its not enough too do something we desire too do. Its like that with everything nowadays. Its all numbers and statistics. Even our social lives are invaded by this thinking. (i.e. # of friends = social success) and our love life (success = # of people you've had)

Its no surprise that it got too art. Music suffers from regurgitated emotional hooks or copying popular bands too sell albums. Physical art suffers from post modernism too be able too make critically acclaim pieces as fast as possible.

And movies suffer from a "proven" formula that will sell tickets and dvds. This year's oscar winner "Departed" left me wanting, it was well written and all that... but I took nothing away from it.

[quote="I is buster?"]
So, you are ok with the lowered expectations, and thus lowered creativity in modern film?
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No, and for a large part, that's why i rarely watch Hollywood movies...Seriously though, asking about why Hollywood doesn't make creative movies is rather idiotic. They've not been able to produce much original material for who knows how many years. (hint:more than a decade) That is, unless they bring in some director from another country (Hitchcock was from GB by the way, i saw him in your list of great directors america has seen earlier in the thread)


Oh, but on a another note, i see you're from MN...I think Meille was too, but i haven't seen her in quite a while, so that's two of us now.