Wait. You mean there are actually people who don't realize Colbert's character was created to mock conservatives?

[quote="Jomei"]Wait. You mean there are actually people who don't realize Colbert's character was created to mock conservatives?[/quote]

yes

[quote="Utsuseru"][quote="Jomei"]Wait. You mean there are actually people who don't realize Colbert's character was created to mock conservatives?[/quote]

yes[/quote]


Ohhh, Jomei... so naive. Cherish the world while you're young! [i][b]CHERISH[/b][/i] it!

[quote="Blank"]I did take notice of the inclusion of Bush's "uniquely American" comment to that one chick who works three jobs in the preview... so should I expect a shiatload of anti-Bush rhetoric?[/quote]

There are a FEW little jabs here and there, but that's to be expected. And by "jabs" I mean, "clips of George W. Bush briefly speaking" which turn out to be unintentionally (but intentionally) funny.

As in: "Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."



But yeah. It really IS non-partisan. Some Bush-lovers may grimace at the fact that it's a Michael Moore documentary...but really everyone should see it. But you knew that already.

And Jomei, about people not understanding the satirical character of Colbert...let me paraphrase George Carlin:

"Think of how smart the average American is...and then realize that half of them are dumber than that."

D:

*stabs eyes with DS styluses*

[quote="GoldenRhino"]

"Think of how smart the average American is...and then realize that half of them are dumber than that."[/quote]

That reminded me of this Lewis black standup
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZMWVWuc

I just watched this film. Perhaps it's just that I am not necessarily opposed to the idea of universal health care, but he seemed to tone down his asininity in this production. However, it would have been several times more professional and mature if he did not include the bit on his "anonymous donation" at the end. It only showed him to be manipulative and cruel to a fault, especially when you consider that a $12,000 check to Michael Moore is the equivalent of a Happy Meal at McDonald's to one of us.

It was very effective, edited to evoke exactly what Moore wanted. While it ran a little long, it was probably the best-edited work of his I've seen. As far as the content goes, I admit that I have not invested a serious amount of time into this subject, and cannot speak confidently on it. Since I've heard exclusively one side of the debate - without even consideration of the opposing view(s) - I would be interested in knowing what points the other side may have. "Because insurance/pharmaceutical companies don't like it" is a ridiculous and most likely incorrect reason for our existing health care system. Does anyone have any insight on the issue?

I dont feel like seeing it because it's another "the government is screwing people over!!! OMG!!!" films. I'm sick and tired of the same message over and over and over again, each time people acting like it's NEW and BREATH TAKING and EYE OPENING!!! I knew the problems with the health care system before this movie.

Government approval is at an all-time low, I feel like it would be beating a dead horse.

[quote="Camio"]I dont feel like seeing it because it's another "the government is screwing people over!!! OMG!!!" films. I'm sick and tired of the same message over and over and over again, each time people acting like it's NEW and BREATH TAKING and EYE OPENING!!! I knew the problems with the health care system before this movie.

Government approval is at an all-time low, I feel like it would be beating a dead horse.[/quote]

Great idea. Let's just be apathetic about it. Caring just takes too much effort. It's so much easier to let the government take the lead, and let them maximize profits while, as you said "screwing people over".

Maybe you'd change your mind if you were put in a situation where you're denied health insurance...it's a lot easier than you'd think.

Yeah, so you can "know the problems with the health care system". But treating it like it's no big deal is just...just...YOU'RE HURTING AMERICA.

I KNOW IM BEING SCREWED DONT REMIND ME OR DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OK??!!?

[quote="Jomei"]I KNOW IM BEING SCREWED DONT REMIND ME OR DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OK??!!?[/quote]

The sad thing guys, a SHIATLOAD of Americans think this way.

A shitload of Americans also think like GR and Jomes:

"I care a lot about this issue, and I'm going to tell everyone my opinion on it, but I realize that there's nothing I can do about it beyond that, so I'm essentially just as effective as the apathetic guy. BUT AT LEAST I'M NOT THE APATHETIC GUY!"

I mean, I totally understand how you guys are feeling, but I don't think he deserves to be berated for that opinion. And trust me, the list of things that I think deserve shit storms is pretty damn huge. Be honest, while you might not actually think what I said, it's at least true.

The reason why this film is not "important" to see is because it's not an accurate representation of the situation at hand. Even without fully understanding the current situation, it is obvious that while it represents an actual problem (which is good for awareness, but bad for actual knowledge), it is merely misleading propaganda. The US health care system is not as bad as he makes it out to be, and universal health care systems are not as good as he makes it out to be.

[b]In the op-ed section of the NY Times today there is a small piece that I feel accurately and fairly evaluates the film. I suggest that any interested parties should read it, or find it and post a link here.[/b] I agreed with it so much, and it was very well stated, that I'd rather it be here than whatever I write.

My conclusion is this (the same conclusion can be drawn from most other MM "documentary," coincidentally): The film is great to raise awareness, but don't use it to formulate any solid opinions. This film is very well made, cleverly edited, and evokes strong feelings (moreso than his other movies, in my opinion, as I stated) - it is very important not to let it mislead you, or to draw general conclusions from his specific cases, etc.

I finally saw it just now... And the fact that French families can live so comfortably on the equivalent of 8,000 dollars is damn-near mind-boggling. It really makes me want to cry when we do compare on the general level how well we treat our citizens compared to other countries... Although don't get me wrong--while I've pretty much always believed many people get treated poorly here, having a model to compare it with just makes it more apparent and thus, staggering.

Oh, but it'd be much too embarrassing for the United States to admit it was actually wrong about their whole health care solution. Gasp, the free market could actually be WRONG in this case?

[quote="GoldenRhino"]Oh, but it'd be much too embarrassing for the United States to admit it was actually wrong about their whole health care solution. Gasp, the free market could actually be WRONG in this case?[/quote]

No, the free market is right. You can make a shiatload off of killing people.