actually, i retract my opinion. cocks and balls.

[quote="zenkalia"][quote="Jomei"]Babel wasn't that fucking good. The girl's pussy wasn't shaved, so I was irritated.[/quote]

wait, what?[/quote]

The Japanese chick in Babel shows her pussy, but it's, as she puts it, a "hairy monster."

[quote="Camio"]
we feel the need too justify everything we do with something tangible. Its not enough too do something we desire too do. Its like that with everything nowadays. Its all numbers and statistics. Even our social lives are invaded by this thinking. (i.e. # of friends = social success) and our love life (success = # of people you've had)[/quote]

So you just sit by and accept this? Every decision we make is based on some social concept and our subconscious minds adapt to that and basically make us stupid. Some people try to break these social norms and end up being ostracized by everyone for how they look. So, why don't we just lift the standards a bit so more artistic and independent thoughts occur within our daily lives, instead of just in a classroom?...

[quote="Camio"]
Physical art suffers from post modernism too be able too make critically acclaim pieces as fast as possible.[/quote]

I'm an art major, I know exactly what you are talking about...

[quote="Biscuit Hammer"]
Seriously though, asking about why Hollywood doesn't make creative movies is rather idiotic. They've not been able to produce much original material for who knows how many years. (hint:more than a decade) That is, unless they bring in some director from another country (Hitchcock was from GB by the way, i saw him in your list of great directors america has seen earlier in the thread) [/quote]

I noticed that you guys are kinda aggressive on these boards... just kidding. As I mentioned before, Billy Wilder was a great director and he was in the Hollywood clique. I thought Munich was pretty good. We've had some, but yeah, most good films are from foreign directors coming here. Hitchcock (oops, slipped my mind), Fritz Lang, I think Roman Polanski, and so forth...

Also, good to see another person from MN! I'm waiting for the Pillows to come to 1st Avenue or something...

[quote="Camio"]because in america.

money is worth the paper it's written on.

art is not.

we feel the need [color=red]too[/color] justify everything we do with something tangible. Its not enough [color=red]too[/color] do something we desire [color=red]too[/color] do. Its like that with everything nowadays. Its all numbers and statistics. Even our social lives are invaded by this thinking. (i.e. # of friends = social success) and our love life (success = # of people you've had)

Its no surprise that it got [color=red]too[/color] art. Music suffers from regurgitated emotional hooks or copying popular bands [color=red]too[/color] sell albums. Physical art suffers from post modernism [color=red]too[/color] be able [color=red]too[/color] make critically acclaim pieces as fast as possible.

And movies suffer from a "proven" formula that will sell tickets and dvds. This year's oscar winner "Departed" left me wanting, it was well written and all that... but I took nothing away from it.[/quote]

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used for expressing motion or direction toward a point, person, place, or thing approached and reached, as opposed to from.

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in addition; also; furthermore; moreover

I had to point it out.

[quote="I is buster?"]
Some people try to break these social norms and end up being ostracized by everyone for how they look. [/quote]

Some call people like that genius.

[quote="I is buster?"]
So you just sit by and accept this? Every decision we make is based on some social concept and our subconscious minds adapt to that and basically make us stupid. Some people try to break these social norms and end up being ostracized by everyone for how they look. So, why don't we just lift the standards a bit so more artistic and independent thoughts occur within our daily lives, instead of just in a classroom?...[/quote]

It's called psychology. The only true artistic and independent thinkers are all hermits who have no friends. These people are rare and unusual because we're mentally programmed to consider what other people think of us. It's why we as humans are a social species. When you see someone who looks "different," there's a 99.999% chance that they aren't trying to be "different;" they're only trying to be the "same" as a different group. It's nothing to admire.

Nothing personal, but it's ridiculous when people try to candy-coat logic, truth, and science with "artistic" explanations. Even art is entirely logical.

I once considered being a hermit, and then found the lifestyle to be too boring for my taste.

my friends have been talking about babel.. is it actually a good movie (other than the uhh... hairy monster)?

[quote="zenkalia"]my friends have been talking about babel.. is it actually a good movie (other than the uhh... hairy monster)?[/quote]

The Japanese girl is actually kind of cute, so don't let that aspect turn you off.
I thought it was a little confusing at first, but once I understood, I found it to a wonderful work of art.
It's a comparison and interaction between social groups and cultures, and how a single story is intertwined between them all.

[quote="Utsuseru"]
To-
used for expressing motion or direction toward a point, person, place, or thing approached and reached, as opposed to from.

Too-
in addition; also; furthermore; moreover

I had to point it out.[/quote]
Thank you, I was about to go insane.




IRT the subject at hand, watch IFC. There's a lot of good films on there. Ever seen the movie "In America"? That's a pretty damned good film.

Did anyone ever see Stranger than Fiction? That was a pretty good movie (I think you excluded comedies earlier, but to me, this movie sorta stuck out as not just a comedy). I was surprised to see Will Ferrell in a movie like this (Him, Robin Williams, and Edward Norton are my favorite actors). It was nice.

[quote="sheerheartattack"]It's called psychology. The only true artistic and independent thinkers are all hermits who have no friends. These people are rare and unusual because we're mentally programmed to consider what other people think of us. It's why we as humans are a social species. When you see someone who looks "different," there's a 99.999% chance that they aren't trying to be "different;" they're only trying to be the "same" as a different group. It's nothing to admire.

Nothing personal, but it's ridiculous when people try to candy-coat logic, truth, and science with "artistic" explanations. Even art is entirely logical.[/quote]

I don't think you quite understand how art works... People aren't hermits who have no friends... Just because you have seen movies that say so or don't have any artist friends, doesn't mean that we don't have social lives. Your psychology just proved that you think as a socially influenced being.

You also can't just say that all art is logical. Yes, the placement of objects in a viewing frame is logical based on what is pleasing, but then the feeling and raw emotion of the artist takes over. There is not always a reasoning for why a person decides to paint with a brush a certain way or why specific lighting was used in a film.

IFC does have some pretty good movies. It is just unfortunate that they don't always have the same production quality as a Hollywood production does...[/quote]

[quote="Utsuseru"][quote="zenkalia"]my friends have been talking about babel.. is it actually a good movie (other than the uhh... hairy monster)?[/quote]

The Japanese girl is actually kind of cute, so don't let that aspect turn you off.
I thought it was a little confusing at first, but once I understood, I found it to a wonderful work of art.
It's a comparison and interaction between social groups and cultures, and how a single story is intertwined between them all.[/quote]

Read: it's a mostly boring movie involving numerous storylines linked by highly superficial pieces of the plot in an attempt to impress those looking for a "deep, artsy" movie with Hollywood actors they know and love. The Japan storyline is pretty interesting simply for how twisted and bizarre it is, but the rest of the movie put me to sleep.

All in all it's an okay movie if you've got nothing to do and are well-rested.

Although it does give off the feeling of art at the end[with the japanese father and his daughter on the skyscraper]. I'm going to agree with you, that for the most part, the movie was a borefest.
All in all, it's a good movie, but you definately don't need to see it more than once.

I find that some Korean and Japanese movies are very enjoyable compared to hollywood stuff.

[quote="Utsuseru"][quote="zenkalia"]my friends have been talking about babel.. is it actually a good movie (other than the uhh... hairy monster)?[/quote]

The Japanese girl is actually kind of cute, so don't let that aspect turn you off.
I thought it was a little confusing at first, but once I understood, I found it to a wonderful work of art.
It's a comparison and interaction between social groups and cultures, and how a single story is intertwined between them all.[/quote]

dude, good job at making me want to see it without ruining it for me.